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Yes, seems a good deal. But, note that some of the premium house/coach batteries are more the true deep cycle type -- technically better than a common marine battery for our application. Marine batteries are dual use, for starting, or for low-continuous draw application. So, there may be a cost-benefit thing to weigh. I'm fine with the under $200 marine batteries.
Good advice and food for thought. Thanks!

Which led to my calling the folks at East Penn to inquire more about using that battery in my application. They told me that if it won't be needed as a start battery that I would get better service from one of their Deep Cycle Gel offerings. Specifically suggested was their 8G31DTM. Which I couldn't find listed with a price online.

Other Group 31 Deep Cycle AGMs are each listing at and over $200, or $400+ to make a 200Ah House supply. (100Ah usable)

The NPP NPD12 at $360 (Amazon) is looking like the best value for me on a 200Ah Deep Cycle battery. Particularly with no core charge. Free shipping on something weighing 133 lbs. is kinda amazing as well.
 
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Good advice and food for thought. Thanks!

Which led to my calling the folks at East Penn to inquire more about using that battery in my application. They told me that if it won't be needed as a start battery that I would get better service from one of their Deep Cycle Gel offerings. Specifically suggested was their 8G31DTM. Which I couldn't find listed with a price online.

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Hmm... my memory is that gel cells don't have a good reputation for our use. That may have been a marketing drone, doing his thing. But, I'm NOT an expert on this.
 
I think the only reasonable wire path to the right rear on the medium roof is the one I'll be using. Here's another photo. You can see the conduit past the C-piller, turn upward, and become accessible at the top slots (a bit of work getting it through there). From there, I will switch to lighter, split corrugated sheathing (Home Depot has the best price around here), and run across the ceiling, along the support beam.
Hi Eddie,

I am currently trying to route conduit through the same pathway (I think) as you, but having trouble with the middle section of the C pillar (the leftmost channel of the two vertical channels running up the pillar). What size conduit is that and how did you manage to squeeze it through there?
 
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From here: http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/...um.com/camper-vans-conversions/10650-project-minimalist-kayak-2.html#post165506

Hi Eddie,

I am currently trying to route conduit through the same pathway (I think) as you, but having trouble with the middle section of the C pillar (the leftmost channel of the two vertical channels running up the pillar). What size conduit is that and how did you manage to squeeze it through there?
My blue flex conduit is 1 inch OD, and 0.79 inch ID. I honestly don't recall what contortions or tricks I used to get through there. Probably cut a wedge at probe end, maybe taped up.

Ran it from the bottom. I do have skinny arms that I've scraped up in similar situations -- I may have reached up there a ways... not sure.

I think I ran that vertical section first, and, after success, ran the tail end back along the bottom.
 
From here: http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/...um.com/camper-vans-conversions/10650-project-minimalist-kayak-2.html#post165506

My blue flex conduit is 1 inch OD, and 0.79 inch ID. I honestly don't recall what contortions or tricks I used to get through there. Probably cut a wedge at probe end, maybe taped up.

Ran it from the bottom. I do have skinny arms that I've scraped up in similar situations -- I may have reached up there a ways... not sure.

I think I ran that vertical section first, and, after success, ran the tail end back along the bottom.
That makes sense. I think I located the right path now. I was able to run 1/2" ENT conduit there today. I'm still impressed you were able to squeeze the 1".

Why did you attempt to cram in the larger diameter? Any advantages/considerations in particular?
 
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That makes sense. I think I located the right path now. I was able to run 1/2" ENT conduit there today. I'm still impressed you were able to squeeze the 1".

Why did you attempt to cram in the larger diameter? Any advantages/considerations in particular?
The lines I ran took a good tug, as it was. BUT, I'm one who ran 2 wires for every circuit. I didn't think I had enough to bother with buses, though maybe should have. So, there's 8 wires in there, I think.

And... that's the size conduit I found at Lowe's.
 
The lines I ran took a good tug, as it was. BUT, I'm one who ran 2 wires for every circuit. I didn't think I had enough to bother with buses, though maybe should have. So, there's 8 wires in there, I think.

And... that's the size conduit I found at Lowe's.
Gotcha. Hey, that's reason enough. I have to fight the urge to over-research every single component of the build, otherwise it'll never be done!

And just so I understand your reasoning behind the larger conduit, since you didn't route a single heavier gage wire up to a bus bar, and then terminate smaller wires from there (at the top of the pillar) to the various 12v electrical components? I am thinking through the electrical system now and that hadn't occurred to me, so I want me to make sure I understand that potential design choice.
 
I did not want electrical buried in the walls. Do have one cord that is buried in the ceiling for the Maxxair fan. Cords are run inside the cabinets where they are accessible. Also have one 16/2 cord up to two ceiling lights that is on the wall behind a removable cabinet. Two wire "SO" cords are much easier to install than conduit and wires.
 
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And just so I understand your reasoning behind the larger conduit, since you didn't route a single heavier gage wire up to a bus bar, and then terminate smaller wires from there (at the top of the pillar) to the various 12v electrical components? ...
Sounds about right. I'm not the best guy to discuss bus use and design, though, since I did not use them.
 
Over Memorial Day weekend, I spent 4 days at St. George Island, FL, chosen largely because dogs are allowed on the public municipal beach (but, not the state park beach). I set up my detached (from van) 9x12 ft. tarp for shade -- really, camping would not be great without a shaded area. Temps near 90 during the day. No problem sleeping at night, with fan blowing inward. Since dogs had to be on leash at all times in the state park, yet Piper needs her exercise several times a day... in the evenings, I would run her around the campground while riding my folding Razor A5 kick scooter.

My 3-year-old Brittany was thrilled with her first beach-surf experience. I had not seen her so excited since she was a pup. She was THE star of the beach, due to her good behavior and stellar fetch performance... not to mention good looks.

Being from coastal northern California, I had never been on a crowded beach, before. We had walked down about a mile, where the crowd thinned out, for most of our fetch.

Made a decent sunset pic.


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I love Brittanys. I've had 4.
 
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Foxharp: I'm thinking about mounting a small removable tarp/awning over the rear doors with magnets to give me an airy little vestibule when it's raining. The tarp material would be flush with the roof, diverting any runoff. Currently, when I am working on the van, I just throw a piece of Styrofoam up over the doors and roof and don't get any drips, so the design should be easy ...
Indeed. You've reminded me that since I made the comment up above about keeping rain out of the door, I've actually done something about it. It's a sort of "eyebrow" awning made from a long piece of fiberglass rod, an old tent fly, and some magnets. Works reasonably well. Writeup is here: http://projects.foxharp.net/the_van/#keeping-the-rain-and-drips-out-1042016 ...
I have finally built an awning for the back door. No need for something over the sliders though as I attach clear vinyl onto my screen doors to keep the rain out.

Cheers.
 
I've taken the first step in personalizing my new Transit. It's going to be my daily driver, and, I need to be able to transport a 14-foot kayak, INSIDE, either for local day trips, or for away trips, once I'm set up for camping.

For 15 years, I've carried a kayak on an elevated rack, over my pickup bed. I will happily give up the elevated storage, especially with moving to high-roofed (MR Transit) van. As I get older, floor level kayak storage will be better, and, there are other advantages to having it indoors. My 16 and 17-foot kayaks have sat unused for 2 years, as I had already favored the 14-footer -- a Dagger Alchemy -- for all-around fun.

So, 11 1/2 foot cargo box, 14-foot boat. I needed the space under the passenger seat, but, I did not want to completely remove the seat. I needed to make a convertible seat base. Fortunately, my kayaks are NOT of the chunky sit-on-top variety. In the photos you will see my 13 1/2 foot "dog boat," the widest of my kayaks. The width fit is very close with this mod.

You'll see the seat is removed, along with the hydraulic bottle jack. The jack mounting bracket was held down with the 3 too-long bolts in the center area. I later cut those bolts to a shorter length, rather than remove them completely. I will put acorn nuts on them, for safety and possible future use.

The non-moving base parts, held down by the original mounting bolts. Primary material is 1.25 inch, 14 gauge square tubing. Heavier base angle is 2 inch by 3/16 inch.

The moving parts, during a fitting. I made lift of about 7 1/4 inches from normal position. That's an inch more than I thought I needed, to allow for the thickness of a plywood or other floor in the cargo area.

Success - view from behind, and side view of the seat raised above the kayak bow.

Space under the seat is pretty clear, except for that one cross-piece for the seat adjuster. It turns out I would have been fine with an inch less lift. There are 60 pieces that I had to make, plus 8 bronze bushings and 2 hitch pins that were purchased at Lowes.

No, the seat is not to be used when it's raised to accommodate a kayak.

No, I'm not a professional welder.

Yes, I still need to clean it up and paint it.

No, my setup might not get the same crash test rating as the Ford engineered pedestal. But, it will rarely be used by another person.

While I have your attention, please see my next post, below. Concept questions I need to resolve, before proceeding with my light camper van build.
EddieZ, Well done articulating passenger seat-base!!!

Welcome to the a Articulating Builders Club:)

PICs of my bench seat/bed.

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