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Also, there's a new option about to be available for front bumpers. Backwoods Adventure Mods is selling these starting July 1st. Saw them at the Adventure Van Expo, and I like the design better than the Van Compass ones.

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Been looking at their rear bumpers for quite a while, so I'm stoked they're making a low profile front.

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This companies really hate airflow to the intercooler lol. Not a good idea for an EcoBoost van. NA V6 would be fine though...

Transit Off-Road Steel Rear Bumper is also superior to the Backwoods one, as it has an integrated rear hitch receiver so you get an extra 3" or so of ground clearance at the rear end...
 
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Class 3 (8000 lbs tow weight, 800 lbs tongue weight) exceeds the Transit's max tow ratings and tongue weight (Max 10% of trailer weight) ratings by about 30% or more for most Cargo vans:
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I was winched (and dragged) out of 2 feet deep snow from the Transit Off-Road hitch receiver without bending or braking anything, so I'm pretty impressed. I also towed a 4000lb trailer across the country with it.

The only real purpose of a steel rear bumper is to help with dragging the rear end on the extended (to much lesser degree the normal 148" WB) IMO.

If I didn't care about towing anything and didn't need a hitch receiver for towing, there's an argument for Backwoods. BUT- Running the backwoods without hitch is also silly because you lose the best rear recovery point anyways without a hitch receiver.

If You do want to tow, or have the rear bumper be a recover point, then the Transit Off-road is the only one that makes sense, because if you run a hitch with the Backwoods, you just get even worse ground clearance when dragging the rear end, and the steel rear bumper is somewhat useless because the hitch will drag first.
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This companies really hate airflow to the intercooler lol. Not a good idea for an EcoBoost van. NA V6 would be fine though...

Transit Off-Road Steel Rear Bumper is also superior to the Backwoods one, as it has an integrated rear hitch receiver so you get an extra 3" or so of ground clearance at the rear end...
I saw the Backwoods front winch mount at the expo also and like it. how do you know it blocks the intercooler airflow? Have you seen a prerelease version as it is not out yet.
Which front mount give the best airflow?
I do like their rear bumper also and class 3 is enough for me.
 
I saw the Backwoods front winch mount at the expo also and like it. how do you know it blocks the intercooler airflow? Have you seen a prerelease version as it is not out yet.
Which front mount give the best airflow?
I do like their rear bumper also and class 3 is enough for me.
Because the entire bumper and winch is mounted directly in front of the intercooler? Haha. Look at the picture above. The intercooler and it's opening for airflow are directly below the license plate area, which is where the winch is located. Same with VC front winch mount, although to lesser of a degree I think.

Transit Off-Road Steel rear Bumper has a Class 3 integrated hitch:

The Backwoods Steel Rear Bumper has not integrated rear hitch. It allows the use of the OEM or aftermarket Class 4 hitch receivers below it. The problem with that as i discussed above, is this eats up a good 3" or so of rear ground clearance for steep departure angles (or in the case of the extended vans, not even that steep departure angles)
 
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Because the entire bumper and winch is mounted directly in front of the intercooler? Haha. Look at the picture above. The intercooler and it's opening for airflow are directly below the license plate area, which is where the winch is located. Same with VC front winch mount, although to lesser of a degree I think.

Transit Off-Road Steel rear Bumper has a Class 3 integrated hitch:

The Backwoods Steel Rear Bumper has not integrated rear hitch. It allows the use of the OEM or aftermarket Class 4 hitch receivers below it. The problem with that as i discussed above, is this eats up a good 3" or so of rear ground clearance for steep departure angles (or in the case of the extended vans, not even that steep departure angles)
This is a great point and I challenged VC on this. They are confident that they have engineered enough flow to the I/C. I spent a lot of time checking on airflow potential during my VC install and it looks OK, however if it becomes an issue, the front of the VC skid plate can easily be opened up with a hole saw, without compromising the skid plate's function, if it becomes an issue.

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Because the entire bumper and winch is mounted directly in front of the intercooler? Haha. Look at the picture above. The intercooler and it's opening for airflow are directly below the license plate area, which is where the winch is located. Same with VC front winch mount, although to lesser of a degree I think.

Transit Off-Road Steel rear Bumper has a Class 3 integrated hitch:

The Backwoods Steel Rear Bumper has not integrated rear hitch. It allows the use of the OEM or aftermarket Class 4 hitch receivers below it. The problem with that as i discussed above, is this eats up a good 3" or so of rear ground clearance for steep departure angles (or in the case of the extended vans, not even that steep departure angles)
Sorry I thought it was the BW bumper with the built in hitch. Yes I would rather have the built in for clearance.
The BW front mount looks like it has some airflow. I will wait and see as I’m in no hurry.
 
This is a great point and I challenged VC on this. They are confident that they have engineered enough flow to the I/C. I spent a lot of time checking on airflow potential during my VC install and it looks OK, however if it becomes an issue, the front of the VC skid plate can easily be opened up with a hole saw, without compromising the skid plate's function, if it becomes an issue.

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I just don't see how adequate air-flow could get to the intercooler looking at this picture. It would have to enter above, go around to the sides, down, and then hit back to the center.
Much different than direct airflow going through the bumper opening and hitting straight on at the intercooler...

I recommended @nealcallan cut holes in his VC skid just as you said, and that seems like a much better solution. Maybe he can post pictures.
 
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I just don't see how adequate air-flow could get to the intercooler looking at this picture. It would have to enter above, go around to the sides, down, and then hit back to the center.
Much different than direct airflow going through the bumper opening and hitting straight on at the intercooler...

I recommended @nealcallan cut holes in his VC skid just as you said, and that seems like a much better solution. Maybe he can post pictures.
Definitely considering that. However, the photo doesn't show the large exit slots in the sides of the skid tray for the rear of the I/C or the large air-path around the sides of the tray to the face of the I/C. VC's early versions of the skid plate did have air holes. VC believes that they were not needed. I'll be keeping an eye on it.
 
I just don't see how adequate air-flow could get to the intercooler looking at this picture. It would have to enter above, go around to the sides, down, and then hit back to the center.
Much different than direct airflow going through the bumper opening and hitting straight on at the intercooler...

I recommended @nealcallan cut holes in his VC skid just as you said, and that seems like a much better solution. Maybe he can post pictures.
I have the VC skid plate installed for the past 1.5 years. @ArgonautVans recommended I increase the air flow to the intercooler. Below are a couple pictures of the installation, the mesh is SS 1/4" spacing. Even with these 4 holes I had one incident last summer when the van overheated and went into "low power mode".
Mid August I was in Bishop CA (eastern sierras); when getting gas the van was in the shade and a thermometer on top of the gas pump read 110 Deg. We were heading north from Bishop to Lee Vining (and then over Tioga pass thru Yosemite), there was some truck traffic and road surface temp was reading 120 Deg; speed was <40mph and van overheated. Turned off van AC, lowered speed and the van temp came down in about 10-15 minutes.
 
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OK I spent more time looking at the original OEM airflow into the I/C and comparing the airflow around the VC skid plate. It's clear that Ford put a lot of time designing and the OEM setup with well designed and sealed ducting, with airflow unrestricted into the front of the I/C and no possibility of airflow escaping around the top, bottom or sides. The VC skid plate pretty much eliminates all of that, with the I/C essentially suspended inside a box with open sides.

However, one really good feature of the VC skid plate is that it allows for 15mm of so of upward deflection before contacting the underside of the I/C. However, this creates a 15mm gap through which any incoming cooling air can bypass the core. Adding to this is that the side seals are also removed.

So I decided to add vents to the front. This is my starting point as we need the van for a 5 day trip. We will be lightly loaded and not towing anything.

Note the holes only add airflow into the front of the I/C. When we get back, I'm going to add soft foam strips along the bottom and sides of the I/C to seal the gaps and force incoming air through it's core. Given that the I/C will see reduced airflow, I also removed the foam pads (and the glue) to open up the full face of the I/C to airflow.

Fun side note, the mesh is expanded Ti, left over from a work project. I used a 3" hole saw, jigsaw and Dremel to cut and finish the slots, the rattle canned with satin black to match the rest.

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Can you measure and read intercooler temps while driving?
The ECU logs and uses Ambient Air temperature and Inlet Air Temperature (post intercooler) and IAT is the key number. I believe that you can monitor the IAT signal in real time with Forscan and/or an app like Torque Pro.
 
The ECU logs and uses Ambient Air temperature and Inlet Air Temperature (post intercooler) and IAT is the key number. I believe that you can monitor the IAT signal in real time with Forscan and/or an app like Torque Pro.
Would be interesting to compare.
 
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Would be interesting to compare.
I think it would be interesting a challenge to match the I/C airflow of the OEM setup, it's pretty well done. I'm just trying to limit the downside of adding a skid plate so I don't rip it off, in our off-road adventures.
 
Nice work. When you add the foam strips, if you remember, would you mind taking photos of where you're adding them?
I might replicate this when its my turn to install the skid plate...
Thanks!
 
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