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#43 ·
I just had my first EGR Cooler replacement under the 120,000 mile/11 year extended customer satisfaction warranty, at 21,550 miles on a 2016 DRW Extended HR. I was considering looking for prices on a delete, but having been so happy with the van performance and seeing that the emissions parts for this engine are dirt cheap compared to all other diesels I've had, I'm just going to leave it stock and legal and replace/repair systems as needed. So I did some research on parts cost, already have the Helm workshop manual, watched a few YouTube videos for various repairs and this engine is very easy to work on, the EGR cooler is probably the worst part but with some video guidance it also is not a hard job at all, just slightly time consuming at about ~6 hours. I also found out that as long as the DPF is not cracked or otherwise damaged, it can be cleaned out at home for a few dollars and reused; but even then there is an aftermarket part available for $900.

The Ford dealer also included a spare chunk of 2x2" wood scrap that they left on my transmission bellhousing that I had to fish out when I got home.

Here's a few part numbers and prices so you can see what I mean, it's not a very expensive engine parts-wise, and it's all "pretty easy" work with fairly basic tools.

High Pressure Fuel Injection Pump FB3Z-9A543-J $820, $30 special tool required to hold sprocket in place while changing, mounted on left side of engine.
Fuel Injectors CK4Z-9E527-A $272 each, easy topside access
Turbocharger BK3Z-6K682-U $655, right side engine
EGR Cooler CK4Z-9U433-B $272, rear of engine
EGR Valve BK2Z-9D475-A $114, rear left side
Fuel Vaporizer & Glow Plug Assembly ("6th injector for regen") CK4Z-9B593-A $362
Aftermarket DPF/DOC Filter, W&L Brand WL-1010US $900, right side engine, can be removed through top without subframe removal
or Ford OEM DPF/DOC Filter GK4Z-5H270-A $1745

I ordered a EGR Cooler and all the associated gaskets and bolts to put on the shelf and to carry along while traveling as a just in case, and for once it's out of warranty in four more years. Very happy seeing these prices on parts, though! As long as prices and parts availability keeps up, I'll be more than happy to own this van I think. I've had all the recall work and this EGR Cooler done while on the road/road trips and it's very great that I decided on a Ford instead of a Sprinter imo, I'm almost always right near a dealer shop and they've all been good enough to get the jobs done so far, I just check the work over when I get home to retrieve extra wood chunks and so forth...

Other than that, I replace the fuel filter at 10k-15k miles average (just had them do the 2nd replacement for me while it was in) and I run cetane and lubricity improver, hoping to keep a little soot out of the emissions gear and get a few more miles on the high pressure gear. I run Stanadyne Performance, Optilube XPD, or Hotshot's Secret Everyday Treatment every fill-up, whichever is on hand. Keep your ForScan or other OBD tool with you when you're out and about, even with a Scan Guage you can add the OBD CAN codes to mointor your DPF Soot Load Percentage, temperatures, etc. while you drive which a great addition on a road trip.
 
#44 ·
hammerdown said:
Now that my 2015 is about to be out of warranty, lets really start compiling info on deleting, or at least deactivating the troublesome EGR, DPF and DEF systems from our diesels. Some forum members have claimed successful deletes, but never actually follow up with more info. Self preservation? Perhaps. But maybe just internet falsity. I invite those that have successfully deleted the hardware chime in. The goal here is to determine what is the least intrusive way to effectively disable the EGR, and DEF systems, while modifying as little hardware on the van as possible.

I optioned my van with the "active regeneration inhibitor". I can actually shut down the auto regen when i know i'm not doing a long enough trip to fully clean the filter. I rarely use it, but it has come in handy when i notice i'm stuck in a driving cycle that results in the DPF cycling from 80-100%. I turn off the auto feature, until I'm ready to drive all the way home, allowing the regen to complete.

I'm wondering if turning off the regen also disables the DEF system temporarily, or is DEF constantly being injected into the exhaust, independent of the regen cycles? This knowledge would be key in determining if, once the DPF itself is physically removed, or gutted and fitted with a straight through pipe, it would be as simple as inhibiting the active regen via the settings the screen.

Then next question mark is the EGR and EGR cooler assembly. Unlike the larger diesels, there is no aftermarket delete kit, or upgraded replacement available at this time. There are several discussions around the internet regarding weather or not electronically commanding the EGR valve to stay shut (EGR off) will actually increase the life of the cooler. My opinion is "kinda, maybe". However, the EGR cooler itself is covered under a Ford extended warranty. My van is at the dealer getting it replaced for the second time right now, with a mere 114k kms on it. First replacement happened at 60K kms.

Finally, the electronics, or tune. xphobe has really done us a great service by pursuing this matter. Read up on his adventures in tuning here: FINALLY...flash tuner for 3.2L powerstroke
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Hello. I am thinking about doing a dpf delete on my new 6.7. what's the fuel milage gains? Will it run as good as the 6.4 does? Any problems? According to the programmer websites your only looking at 30 more hp over the non dpf delete tunes is it worth it? I want to hear anything you have to say.
 
#45 ·
hammerdown said:
Now that my 2015 is about to be out of warranty, lets really start compiling info on deleting, or at least deactivating the troublesome EGR, DPF and DEF systems from our diesels. Some forum members have claimed successful deletes, but never actually follow up with more info. Self preservation? Perhaps. But maybe just internet falsity. I invite those that have successfully deleted the hardware chime in. The goal here is to determine what is the least intrusive way to effectively disable the EGR, and DEF systems, while modifying as little hardware on the van as possible.

I optioned my van with the "active regeneration inhibitor". I can actually shut down the auto regen when i know i'm not doing a long enough trip to fully clean the filter. I rarely use it, but it has come in handy when i notice i'm stuck in a driving cycle that results in the DPF cycling from 80-100%. I turn off the auto feature, until I'm ready to drive all the way home, allowing the regen to complete.

I'm wondering if turning off the regen also disables the DEF system temporarily, or is DEF constantly being injected into the exhaust, independent of the regen cycles? This knowledge would be key in determining if, once the DPF itself is physically removed, or gutted and fitted with a straight through pipe, it would be as simple as inhibiting the active regen via the settings the screen.

Then next question mark is the EGR and EGR cooler assembly. Unlike the larger diesels, there is no aftermarket delete kit, or upgraded replacement available at this time. There are several discussions around the internet regarding weather or not electronically commanding the EGR valve to stay shut (EGR off) will actually increase the life of the cooler. My opinion is "kinda, maybe" delete kits for 2019 6.7 powerstroke. However, the EGR cooler itself is covered under a Ford extended warranty. My van is at the dealer getting it replaced for the second time right now, with a mere 114k kms on it. First replacement happened at 60K kms.

Finally, the electronics, or tune. xphobe has really done us a great service by pursuing this matter. Read up on his adventures in tuning here: FINALLY...flash tuner for 3.2L powerstroke
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Hi. I got myself a 2019 platinum, and I’m trying to delete it soon; just wondering If I could get some input from more knowledgeable people about it. What’s a good delete kit and tuner to go with? If you could link some stuff, I’d greatly appreciate it all!
 
#50 ·
phil said:
I guess a non registered non plated diesel Transit driving around on private land would be exempt :) IIRC a diesel Transit converted into a race vehicle for motorsport would be exempt, but who wants to be last?

No one complains that the air or water is too clean :)
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Where, in the 3 wars we are in right now?
And you guys sweat the tiny bit of pollution coming out of the exhaust.
 
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#52 ·
phil said:
This IMO depends on if one has ever lived in a city with no emission or pollution controls, if I lived in a rural area I'd be resistant to emission or pollution controls, aka government overreach.
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I guess that is why I'll never live in the city, and emissions laws are not a one size fits all.
So does burning extra fuel to fire off a particulate filter net more emissions?

Here's where the EPA decided that particulates were bad for you, but you had to be exposed 100% to the exhaust.

www.forbes.com

EPA Charged With Lethal Experiments On Hundreds Of Unsuspecting Subjects

Either such devastating charges are warranted, or the agency’s assessments of toxic dangers presented by diesel PM2.5 emissions are greatly exaggerated and unsupportable.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

 
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#53 ·
Just in case someone is looking for a egr cooler bypass, i am trying to get my van tuned and remove the egr completely, so sealing it at the intake and exhaust, remove all the extra crap, will see how it goes.
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#56 ·
hammerdown said:
To elaborate on why i'm not hot on trading it for a gasser: I own my van. It wasn't cheap. Paid it off last year. It has 114k kms on it. I special ordered it, optioned exactly the way I wanted it. I up-fitted it exactly the way I wanted it. I maintain it meticulously and rust proof it yearly. I have two sets of wheels and tires. I guess what I'm getting at is that I have pride of ownership. This vehicle is hardly used and abused and ready to be discarded. It really grinds my gears to get rid of this thing because of poor engineering, and basically subscribe to the idea that a 56k dollar vehicle is disposable after the warranty period is up.
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DEF DELETE in Florida. They do them everywhere
 
#57 ·
The DEF deal is a scam.

Think about what it takes to add this system.

Manufacturer of the fluid. Manufacturer of the parts. Assembly of the extra parts. Transportation of the parts and fluid. Your engine now becomes 30% less efficient and you get new government regulators to office and pay to do nothing. Then this extra system makes your vehicle more unreliable so more trips to the shop and more parts to fix.

Were all of that extra emissions of the added ancillary components better or worse than the original product emissions with the much better fuel economy?
 
#58 ·
It serves the intended purpose, of off loading the emissions responsibility and cost of maintenance to the consumer in order to maximize profit for the manufacturer and increase their overall average mileage across their model line up.

And what little it is helping pollution wise gets negated every time some truck nuts driver decides to 'roll coal' to look cool, piss off a Prius, or choke out a cyclist.
 
#60 ·
Bobrown14 said:
I deleted my 3.2L Powerstroke’s DPF and EGR, using a DEF Delete Emulator to avoid having to modify too much hardware. The van runs cleaner, no more clogged EGR or regens, and fuel economy improved. For minimal hardware changes, an emulator plus a tune that turns off regen and EGR function is the way to go.
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I did message the compagny in the link and they answered me they don't deal with ford transit, how did you do it ?
 
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