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You guys are not going to believe this!!!

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I can not believe this My dealer just received 2 transits that were built 16 & 17 days after my transit(12/18/14 & 12/19/14 vs. 12/2/14) and mine sits, paid for, at the rail yard waiting for a railcar to be shipped. I don't care what I have to do this is needs to be explained to me. Pete and crewvanman add this to your list of WTF!!!! The other part of it is one of them is a diesel that THEY DID NOT EVEN ORDER!!!!!!! Ford just sent it to them per the commercial sales manager. If anyone has any info on how to contact anyone who can help me with this please do. The ford regional customer care rep will not even return my calls when he was supposed to call me Tuesday with an update on my van. I am going to call every number I can find for ford today until I get some one who is willing to help me with this. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!
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Yep he did not know anything about it. But like I said he and the sales manager tried every avenue the knew of including the previous sales manager they tried every avenue they knew of within their system to find my van they cannot get any info on my van now thru their software.
Is the FCC you refer to the same as the site listed at the bottom of this page?

How to Track Ford Factory Car Orders

Ford Fleet Information Center

1-800-343-5338
Yep he did not know anything about it. But like I said he and the sales manager tried every avenue the knew of including the previous sales manager they tried every avenue they knew of within their system to find my van they cannot get any info on my van now thru their software.
But their apparent claim that they have never seen a "Track a Vehicle by VIN" report is difficult to believe IMO.
Passed by the Forney Distribution Center yesterday and they were unloading some Transits. I made a pass around the back of the lot to get a better view and saw something that we on the forum may not have considered about delays on our vehicles......

Wrecked on the lot!

Now here was a Focus that was back in a area by the inspection building that had front end damage. I am sure that they may have some accidents on the lot in Kansas City with all the movements of Transits on the lot.

Is BW5s Transit in this situation? All excuses about it being at the lot and not moved?
Any progress today on BW5's plight? Thanks
PeterR, The FCC I am referring to is The Ford Customer Care Relationship Center @ 800-392-3673
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This just in on another thread FYI BW5.

http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/...on/6297-build-complete-delivery-time-lag.html

After going up the chain of command at Ford I finally got some help from the national customer service manager. She was very helpful and was able to tag my van for rush delivery. (There is a special term for it but I forgot what it was) Apparently this is an option if the process has taken more than 12 weeks. My van was ordered in October, built on November 16 and delivered today. The van did not go on a train. It was driven on a flatbed from Kansas City to Colorado. All the while the dealer never knew of it's whereabouts or when it might be delivered. The customer service manager knew exactly where it was when I called her over the last few weeks. There seems to be a disconnect between Ford corporate and it's dealers.

The van looks and drives great. I'll post a quick review in a week or two in the general forum.
BW5

Have a guy at the Kansas City plant going to check the yard tomorrow for your Transit. They have your VIN so hopefully he can spot it.

My Fleet dealer contact in AR tried to locate your Transit through the system and it would not come up. He said the dealer should not have shown it AS SOLD in the system before it was delivered so it could be tracked in the Ford system even though you paid for it. Your dealer IS CORRECT!
If they key it in as SOLD, IT goes off the DAILY STATUS and the TRACKING BY VIN system
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BW5

Have a guy at the Kansas City plant going to check the yard tomorrow for your Transit. They have your VIN so hopefully he can spot it.

My Fleet dealer contact in AR tried to locate your Transit through the system and it would not come up. He said the dealer should not have shown it AS SOLD in the system before it was delivered so it could be tracked in the Ford system even though you paid for it. Your dealer IS CORRECT!
If they key it in as SOLD, you goes off the DAILY STATUS and the TRACKING BY VIN system
Thanks for the follow up. At what level in the Ford corporate hierarchy do you think someone can track a Transit in this situation? Certainly the VIN is in the system someplace, if only for warranty purposes, and maybe sales totals for the dealer etc.. What else?

The IT dept. should insert some kind of control here IMO to prevent the "disappearance" of such vehicles until the purchaser has signed off on delivery.

This whole thing smells like a coverup of some kind . . .

For instance, how can a dealer claim they have never seen a report called Track a Vehicle -- Full History?
My Commercial Ford dealer contact in North Little Rock, AR does not show his vehicles as SOLD until the vehicle reaches the dealership. The Ford system considers the vehicle to be on the dealers lot when keyed as 'SOLD'

If you decide you want your Transit without the hassle of the Railroad mess, North Point Ford in North Little Rock, Arkansas gets their TRANSITS delivered directly from the Kansas City plant. They are loaded at the sorting yard and take the 7 hour trip to their dealership. If you are having it upfitted, they use a local upfitter instead of having it sent from the plant directly to the upfitter, where it can sometimes sit for 2 or 3 weeks waiting to get fitted. They do a lot of Commercial orders on the Transit and can do your individual order and have it delivered to your local dealer or get it faster at their dealership by flying in and driving home.
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PeterR

In answer to your question on post #48.....

It is hard to track once off the Ford system. You nearly need to go through the various areas to find it......plant, then railyard, rail car, regional distribution center

The Transit has made it difficult for Ford to handle transportation the same way as other vehicles. Mainly because of the extended heights & lengths. And now with the shortage of special rail cars, they are sometimes going around in large circles trying to get back to the Kansas City plant.

As far as the 'REPORTS' some salespeople do a lot of followup with their customer during and after the sale. My Ford dealer contacts try to keep their customer informed about their vehicle from order point to delivery. Sometimes that means getting their customer's email and sending them updates using the DAILY STATUS REPORT about their vehicle. How would you feel if you got a WEEKLY REPORT on your TRANSIT via email?
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How would you feel if you got a [weekly report] via email?
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Much better than if I got no reports!

I prefer emails to phone calls for most business relationships because it creates a paper trail.

I still would appreciate your insight into WHO at FORD can access the data for BW5's Transit by its VIN, even if the dealer can't see it any more? Warranty, sales, marketing, future recalls by VIN, etc. -- SOMEWHERE these functions can still access his Transit by VIN IMO.

Thanks
Information by VIN is still in their (FORD) system, it just loses access on the tracking system for it at the dealer level. When you go through the Ford Customer Care service, they go to a different source to get the information that the dealer does not have access.
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Information by VIN is still in their (FORD) system, it just loses access on the tracking system for it at the dealer level. When you go through the Ford Customer Care service, they go to a different source to get the information that the dealer does not have access.
Every phone call to Ford Customer Care has resulted in the same response: "We do not have access to any information that your dealer doesn't already have," regardless of escalation. Not sure what you are basing your claim on, but it is not in line with my experience.
Every phone call to Ford Customer Care has resulted in the same response: "We do not have access to any information that your dealer doesn't already have," regardless of escalation. Not sure what you are basing your claim on, but it is not in line with my experience.
rondo, I am going to post a reply in your thread:

http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/dealers-purchases-orders/6193-6-months-no-delivery.html#post79865
OK 10AM this morning Frank Olbrich the regional FCC rep calls (the one who was supposed to call me a week ago and I have left messages for everyday and have even contacted his supervisor and he still had not called back. He says I see your van has been sold to you and now I can assign the 3yr/45,000 mile scheduled maintenance pkg. I said no frank I still don't have my Van. He says OH! I said that is not why I have been calling you with no reply and that is not what the new case # is for. He said what new case #. I explained the whole situation again and he said he could not help me he did not have that info.30min later I said frank I am done the new case # assigned to you, after I asked it not to be, is about locating and getting me my van get me someone who can get the information that is your job. He said let me see what I can do and put me on hold. After about 3 min he came back and said Randy would be contacting me. I asked when. He said this afternoon within a couple hours.5:45PM Still no call regarding my case. Call FCC with my case number as instructed when not contacted. FCC rep puts me on hold reviews case says Well frank contacted you about the case today. I said no frank contacted me about my old case & knew nothing about the case# I gave you until I brought it to his attention. and was not helping me again. He said he would note that on the case said he was transferring me to the rep if I got voicemail leave my old case# name and info and someone will call me back tomorrow. I asked are you transferring me to frank he said yes I said that will not work. I need some one who can help me, Please! He said that a supervisor was supposed to contact me and that did not happen and that this was the only recourse he had for me. He assured me a supervisor would contact me tomorrow.
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Thanks for the update BW5, although it is certainly painful to watch Ford be so out of touch with reality.

"What bumps lay down the road for my Wagon" is all I keep thinking!

It sounds like your situation is getting closer to resolution, albeit one painful step at a time . . .

Hang in there!
Sorry I have not updated recently. I am a 1 man band HVAC & Electrical contractor and I am stupid busy on top of trying to get my new van. Tuesday night I got a hold of Robin (7PM) who is Franks Supervisor and politely explained to her that I had finally talked to Frank he again had not done his job and Randy had not called me. She said she works with Randy and did not know why Frank had talked to him instead of her but that they had gotten my van put back up to be visible on the ford oasis system and she could tell me that Norfolk Southern had my van it was picked up 1/10/15 but she was unsure if it was on a railcar and the only other # she had was LTR 3044. I thanked her and asked if she could see my vehicle history by Vin report she said yes and I asked if she could email that to me I said thank you but I still need a reason why My van has been delayed so long and why I have not been contacted by Frank yet. She said she was sorry but they are trying. I thanked her and that was it.
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1/14/15 10 AM I call Norfolk Southern talk to Alan explain the situation and give him the number I have he says that is not a railcar # he asked if I had the last 8 of my VIN handy I said yep and gave it to him less than a minute later he said your van is on Ramp 17C awaiting a railcar it will be loaded today or tomorrow and within a week to 10 days my van should be at the distribution center depending on which one it is. I thanked him he said if I did not get anywhere with ford call back in a couple days and he would give me the railcar #.

So Deanne the ford Sales Rep Supervisor. Lies to me and my dealer again! My Van is Still not on a railcar.


1:30PM Still no call from FCC so I call them they say its still early and that Randy is supposed to call today with and update I said I expect the call soon because I should not have to wait for another day. Stop by dealership to talk to sales manager he is not there but my salesman is . Pete we have a problem! He knew I was pissed. I told him Deanne Lied again. My van is not on a rail car it is still on a ramp @ Norfolk southern as of this morning. He said I'm sorry but I'm just telling you what was relayed to me. I said I know but this is unacceptable. He agreed but said there is nothing he could do but email Deanne and enquire about it and demand she call me asap because he doesn't even have her #. I said ok and what are we going to do about my van.we spent the next 20min trying to find phone #'s and arguing about the process (I educated him quite a bit about this Bullshit.) The phone rings it is Deanne. Pete says he is sitting right here with me and tells her that I know for a fact that my van is sitting on a ramp at NS and not in a railcar as she had stated. She says well I don't know where he got his information but he has no idea what is going on with this and goes into a 10 min rant about the railcar this railcar that loading yards and how they park them and load them and they cant get railcars. I say BULLCRAP Pete motions his hand to me to stop so I do. Deanne proceeds to tell him I should contact FCC because they are the best ones that can help me know. Pete thanks her and hangs up. I said Pete everything she just said is a lie my van sat at the plant until 1/10/15, this has nothing to do with the rail company and railcars you have vans that were built after mine that are here! He said I understand that but she does not know what she is talking about and is not going to be able to help us. He says my best bet is to keep in contact with the guy at NS and the minute I know the van is at Mechanicsville call him and he will contact the trucking company to get it here asap. I then said well my van is suppose to be visible on Oasis again can you track it he tried no he can not. So it is still only visible to the higher ups. I asked can he track the van he has got coming that is one VIN number earlier that was built the same day as mine he says he says yes but it was delivered here yesterday. My jaw hit the floor and I almost punched the wall. He again said I am sorry but I have absolutely no control over this he tries to print the vin history report for that van at my request to compare it to mine but on oasis it is still listed as IN PLANT but is sitting on the dealer receiving Lot. I can not believe this!!!!!!! I finish my day still no call from Randy call FCC twice all they keep doing is transferring me to Franks voicemail I don't know what to do next.
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Unbelievable!

This quote sums it all up:

" . . . he tries to print the vin history report for that van at my request to compare it to mine but on oasis [PR edit -- Etis?] it is still listed as IN PLANT but is sitting on the dealer receiving Lot."

It is becoming clear that Etis is not trustworthy at all, in my personal opinion, for precise timing and location information.

Wish the dealers knew this!
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