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I'd value some crowdsourced input from the Transit owner community about a T-350 HR EL Cargo Van I presently have scheduled for production.

My present E-350 SD XL is one of very few cargo vans equipped with SYNC and factory navigation. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed owning a van equipped with the same infotainment system as my passenger cars, but I’m also frustrated by how much functionality his stripped-out to match the Econoline’s spartan cabin and available comfort and convenience options.

I pulled no punches. Except for diesel, my Transit as well-equipped from the factory as any W3X can be - save dual rear wheels which would’ve encroached far too much upon the load space floor. I’m thrilled that most of Ford’s best products with most of their best features finally are becoming available to North American buyers whom, despite my affinity for The Blue Oval, Ford has neglected as second class consumers with half-hearted products for far too long. But I digress.

This only is relevant in trying to communicate a context for the van’s intended purpose which is a hauler of commercial goods, remote operations base and occasional support vehicle for towing cars, tires, tools and related items to track and road racing events. A sliding door partition will separate the passenger cabin from the cargo area which eventually will select upfit accessories suited to the van’s purpose and a secondary A/C unit to keep any cargo area contents and occupants comfortable during track events and while napping between driving sessions where temperatures often easily exceed 100°F.

Beyond merely its massive additional capabilities and capacity, I’m especially looking forward to enjoying a relatively full complement of advanced comfort, convenience and safety features from leather power seats and climate control to auto-sensing headlamps and blind spot monitoring that previously simply weren’t intended for North American vans, period. This Transit is one of my most eagerly-awaited vehicle orders ever.

Here’s my dilemma:

I ordered the Transit with Rear Door Privacy Glass instinctually, probably because it’s how my Econoline is equipped whose windows were easily tinted and small and situated high enough not to be significant privacy or security problems. Otherwise, given the existence of a partition and backup camera, I can’t ever remember deriving any functional use from windows in the rear doors.

The Transit is a different animal. It’s 3’ longer than even the Extended Length E-Series. Its windows also are substantially larger and lower. Even with Privacy Glass, I’m beginning to wonder if the van wouldn’t be better-configured without them instead. I realize certain half-way options exist like adhesive wraps which would make the windows less apparent from a distance, but they still would exist and be inherently less secure than solid rear doors.

I’d be grateful for input from any Transit owners who weighed the same question. I’d appreciate the rationales behind the decisions and especially any regrets about having chosen one configuration rather than the other. In particular, I’d hope to hear from others with extended length high roof Transits given their unique volume and scale and whether or not the existence of rear door windows has made the van any more or less useful or more or less easy to maneuver.

Thanks in advance to all with relevant input to offer.
 

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I use them. Very expensive to add aftermarket, but a real bargain from the factory. Except for security/break-in possibility no downside, plenty private if no lights are being used. Good to be able to see outside when napping etc. I still use rear view mirror while driving, camera doesn't function in drive, only in reverse. Sometimes my view out the rear windows is blocked by stuff, and when it is I'm reminded that I normally do use that additional check of my six.
 

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A sliding door partition will separate the passenger cabin from the cargo area.

I ordered the Transit with Rear Door Privacy Glass. I’m beginning to wonder if the van wouldn’t be better-configured without them instead.
I would think for your use it would be better without the partition so you could install swivel seats to use between races.


The Transit rear windows have a long slot between the glass and the inside frame where the doors meet. The other side (wall side) of the window there are short slots between the window and frame. Just so happens that Reflectix fits in the slots. I cut the Reflextix to cover the windows plus tabs that fit into the slots. Taped the Reflectix edges. Very easy to install/remove the window covers.

The other item not mentioned is glass in the sliding door. I consider this essential for safety. The slider window construction is similar to the rear windows in that their are slots available for the Reflectix.
 

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I bought my 250 HR off the lot and it is equipped with the rear windows. I did not want them but the truck had everything else I wanted. When I did my signage I had them completely covered and they actually blend in where you do not know that there is glass there. I have a lot of tools in the van so I also installed slick locks on both doors.


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I have not been able to see out my back window since I traded my 1967 Chrysler New Yorker December 1970 on a 1971 International- Harvester Scout. It had a back window but the spare tire hung on the tailgate blocked most view.

My 1981 E150 bought used in 1983 was windowless except for the rear doors. I hung a permanent curtain over both windows.

My 95 F150 bought used in 97 I added a cab high camper topper with DEEPLY tinted windows.. well I left the inside rearview mirror staring at the headliner.

My brand new T150 148 MR 3.7 3.73 I bought off a lot a week ago last Friday. I wanted a box stock with cruise control. This came with the $1100 interior upgrade package that includes a 2 inch thick insulated heavy black vinyl cargo floor. Shiny black poly-something wall covering floor to ceiling. The ceiling is bare. A fixed sliding door solar tinted window and a pair of fixed rear door solar tinted windows. I could have done without the windows. I find driving it I rarely look out those rear windows

Sometime ago a member here posted a picture of what he saw in his inside rear view mirror. The result was tiny with limited views. At the time I thought that can't be true but now I know for sure it is, it is true. Those back windows are useless except for a light source.

I have not looked at it yet but I have come to trust Orton when he says something. I intend to cover both windows with Reflectix as Orton explains in post # 3 above.

I LOVE my new wheels I could not be happier I have not felt this way ..... well ... probably never! I am so glad I chose the 3.7 tromp on it and the jet booster engine cuts in and WoW!

Diesel engines used to be heavily built and lasted forever. There are histories of stationary power plant diesels, that ran 30 years non stop powering electric generators, without any kind of maintenance except changing lube oil.

Want to see one? A local antique engine museum starts it twice daily every show, it gathers quite a crowd, if only for the perfect, very large black smoke rings; it blows out its exhaust stack when starting

Once upon a time Diesels were simple and economical to operate compared to gas. I believe these attributes have been left in the dust with these new lightly built very, very complicated fussy turbo-diesel engines?

I am finding a steep learning curve for me, vehicles sure have changed these past twenty years.

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I have not looked at it yet but I have come to trust Orton when he says something. I intend to cover both windows with Reflectix as Orton explains in post # 3 above.
Sorry but My primary tool for backing up is still the mirrors including out the back windows. Have not gotten used to the rear view camera. I need the rear windows both for backing and to add light into the interior. Fortunately my conversion does not block the view out the back from the mirror.
 

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I use them. Very expensive to add aftermarket, but a real bargain from the factory. Except for security/break-in possibility no downside, plenty private if no lights are being used. Good to be able to see outside when napping etc.
Exactly the kind of first hand input I was looking for. Thank you.

I would think for your use it would be better without the partition so you could install swivel seats to use between races.


The Transit rear windows have a long slot between the glass and the inside frame where the doors meet. The other side (wall side) of the window there are short slots between the window and frame. Just so happens that Reflectix fits in the slots. I cut the Reflextix to cover the windows plus tabs that fit into the slots. Taped the Reflectix edges. Very easy to install/remove the window covers.

The other item not mentioned is glass in the sliding door. I consider this essential for safety.
Thanks for the comprehensive input. A bulkhead actually is a non-negotiable. It's been invaluable on my E-Series and would have a hard time owning a van without one. Especially with the massive volume in back, I can't imagine the climate system working very efficiently, especially during the monthlong stretches of hundred-plus degree temperatures it will experience without something to segregate the cabin, especially when remote starting it to cool down the interior first.

No in-door side window for me. I've become so accustomed to not having one already that I won't miss it.

I bought my 250 HR off the lot and it is equipped with the rear windows. I did not want them but the truck had everything else I wanted. When I did my signage I had them completely covered and they actually blend in where you do not know that there is glass there. I have a lot of tools in the van so I also installed slick locks on both doors.

This is exactly what I was hoping for. Did they use special/different material over the windows? Would you know its brand or industry name?

Sorry but My primary tool for backing up is still the mirrors including out the back windows. Have not gotten used to the rear view camera. I need the rear windows both for backing and to add light into the interior. Fortunately my conversion does not block the view out the back from the mirror.
Amen. Helpful and convenient as they are, we're raising a generation of drivers who'll be either stuck at the ends of their driveways or splattered all over the streets just beyond them the first time their backup cameras go on the fritz.

It's like the Purell culture in which parents are trying to strap helmets onto their kids' immune systems before driving them two blocks to school each day. In two generations, a mild cold bug will take out half the eastern seaboard.
 

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From what I know it is a special exterior sign vinyl. Probably made by 3M. Seems to be very durable. You can not see through it but I know they make one that you can.



I bought my 250 HR off the lot and it is equipped with the rear windows. I did not want them but the truck had everything else I wanted. When I did my signage I had them completely covered and they actually blend in where you do not know that there is glass there. I have a lot of tools in the van so I also installed slick locks on both doors.



This is exactly what I was hoping for. Did they use special/different material over the windows? Would you know its brand or industry name?







Amen. Helpful and convenient as they are, we're raising a generation of drivers who'll be either stuck at the ends of their driveways or splattered all over the streets just beyond them the first time their backup cameras go on the fritz.



It's like the Purell culture in which parents are trying to strap helmets onto their kids' immune systems before driving them two blocks to school each day. In two generations, a mild cold bug will take out half the eastern seaboard.




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My brand new T150 148 MR 3.7 3.73 I bought off a lot a week ago last Friday. I wanted a box stock with cruise control.
I noticed your equipment choice and it made me curious. Knowing the van I wanted wouldn't exist in the wild and would need to be ordered and despite being well-acquainted with how terrific the EcoBoost V6 happens to be, I nevertheless ALMOST chose the N/A 3.7L instead.

Cost wasn't the reason. Because of the gear ratio combinations Ford allows and the 3.7L's availability with a 4.10 LSD, the base engine actually gains several hundred pounds of towing capacity over the 3.5L EcoBoost despite its extra horsepower and torque because the EcoBoost only can be had with a 3.31 rear axle unless as part of the Ambulance Prep package (in SRW form anyway).

Ironically, I already own both engines in other vehicles. In a VERY unlike me decision, I set aside the extra towing capacity for how much better the twin turbo is to drive. In fact, a recent motoring enthusiast publication listed the EcoBoost Transit as one of their Eleven Most Underrapreciated Fun Vehicles to Drive. Even so, and despite Ford's emphasis upon eking out every additional mpg, I can't believe Ford would allow its own flagship EcoBoost engine to be outanythinged.

I LOVE my new wheels I could not be happier I have not felt this way ..... well ... probably never! I am so glad I chose the 3.7 tromp on it and the jet booster engine cuts in and WoW!
Have you modified the 3.7L? It sure runs better and is lighter than the E-Series' old 5.4L (which I also had in a different car), but I'd never mistake it for being spritely - except in comparison to previous available light truck offerings - and especially with 3.73 gears rather than 4.10s. I'd appreciate your frame of reference.

At the end of the day, the EcoBoost won't come anywhere close to hitting its full potential in the Transit, so I'll probably have the gears swapped out for 3.55s or 3.73s anyway to giveth back what Ford tooketh away. More than one way to skin a van. :)

Lastly, you're absolutely correct about diesels today. Just ask VW. Ooof! LOL

Diesels in light vehicles are almost entirely about trying to meet the federal fuel economy mandates. With the fuel being more expensive per gallon than gas, one rarely makes up for the massive premiums makers charge for diesels before the 120,000th mile. Anything that requires me to pee into the tank is for the birds as far as I'm concerned. :)

Seriously though, the 5-cylinder unit from Ford Europe is surprisingly refined. Can't escape the torque lump and dead space all diesels have, but it's VERY good for what it is, cost notwithstanding. Even so, I completely agree that they've become SO convoluted and laden with extra systems which pretty much only a dealer can maintain, that I'd find it difficult to choose even if I needed one.

Now, I just need to wait to enjoy what everybody else is having such a ball with. We built a new home that was under construction during the period between Transit's announcement and arrival. Fortunately, I was able to obtain the high-roof specs and modify the house plans to give an archway over the driveway another 2' of elevation and a 10' X 10' door on one of the garages. I test drove a HR EL to ensure I have all the room I need to maneuver, so it's just down to these few final weeks of waiting and a trip to the upfitter.
 

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My computer factory order process through the dealer defaulted to the 3.73 axle ratio with the 3.5 GTDI. We had to make changes to get the 3.31 axle ordered.
 

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Perhaps a Canada spec difference due to different fuel economy mandates?
That is quite possible. I have found many differences over the years in the options packaging offered in US vs Canada across all manufacturers.

When searching dealer lots for the Transit up here, the 3.5 Eco with the 3.31 axle was as scarce as hen's teeth. The 3.73 LS axle, with an option cost of about $350, was the norm on most window stickers I checked. Not sure if this was dealers ordering, or a factory run issue.
 

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That is quite possible. I have found many differences over the years in the options packaging offered in US vs Canada across all manufacturers.

When searching dealer lots for the Transit up here, the 3.5 Eco with the 3.31 axle was as scarce as hen's teeth. The 3.73 LS axle, with an option cost of about $350, was the norm on most window stickers I checked. Not sure if this was dealers ordering, or a factory run issue.
I think you'll find any EcoBoosts with 3.73 years are DRWs.
 
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