[foxharp]

based on an extended high roof transit:
http://newatlas.com/winnebago-paseo-camper-van/45526/

worst feature: 72" bed, as a result of sleeping crosswise.

best features: screens for rear and side doors, and molded use of cubby space. slick:
http://img-1.newatlas.com/winnebago...to=format,compress&fit=max&h=670&q=60&w=1000&
overall, looks almost as good as skagistan's build.

 

[bobojay]

Russ Garfin, who is the head of Winnebago's class B & C departments has publicly said the Transit was very hard to engineer for their class B van usage because of Ford's design of the body interior. Expensive new tooling and plastic molds to make max use of interior spaces between the braces etc.
Also Ford was not the most cooperative chassis supplier on this van. Took them 2 years to make necessary changes to some of the wiring and interior fitments for RV usage.
Another big complaint is the fact that their, WGO's cost for the Transit is not that much less than for the Sprinter, even with the EB V6 gas vs the MB diesel. That will have to be addressed soon as MB is set to start building the complete Sprinter here in South Carolina vs importation and reassembly currently. MB is talking a 10-12% saving in costs in the 2018-19 timeframe...and a new gas & diesel engine offering

 

[Chance]

Glad to see -- had been waiting to see what they came up with.

Floorplan is a little strange given Winnebago builds Class Bs on both Sprinter and ProMaster vans, and this one seems very different than those. Being narrower than PM and shorter than Sprinter, it's no surprise Winnebago came up with a Transit-specific floorplan.

Worst feature for me is no forward-facing seats at front. This probably was caused in part because driver seat doesn't swivel. The long bench on passenger side of dinette is also odd. While it's true one person can nap without having to convert dinette (and thus blocking rear doors and use of driver side for lounging), it seems to me that space could have been better used for storage and permanent counter space.

Overall it's nice but the huge price difference compared to ProMaster Travato will limit market share in my opinion.


P.S. -- Cantilevered awning front end will take time for me to adjust to.

 

[JAD]

With no forward-facing seats, such a big bathroom and a 72 inch bed, it seems they are going for the not too tall retired couple with no kids in tow.

 

[skagitstan]

based on an extended high roof transit:
http://newatlas.com/winnebago-paseo-camper-van/45526/

worst feature: 72" bed, as a result of sleeping crosswise.

best features: screens for rear and side doors, and molded use of cubby space. slick:
http://img-1.newatlas.com/winnebago-paseo-camper-van-7.JPG?auto=format%2Ccompress&fit=max&h=670&q=60&w=1000&
overall, looks almost as good as skagistan's build.

Garsh:blush:

The advantage of the crosswise bed is the amount of space it frees up (closet space, possibly improved seating at the edge of the bed, etc, etc).
We've gone back and forth about this, and pretty much settled on sleeping front to back. We think we'll want the extra bed space for the junior member of the aesthetics committee to fit with us.
However, we're not tall, so crosswise isn't out of the picture. We will probably experiment with that at some point. If we are OK with it, I don't think it will be too hard to claw back that closet & floor space in the future.

If CRL doesn't ever come out with screened awning windows, I wonder if it'll possible to order screen assemblies from WB to retrofit into Annie.

From our viewpoint, one of the biggest downsides to the Paseo is the small water tanks. Annie will have twice the fresh and twice the gray capacities.

I hope one shows up at a nearby WB dealer soon so we can check it out in person.

 

[orton]

i have a 72 3/4" to 74" cross the back bed width at about 32" height above the steel floor. Limited the polyiso rigid insulation to 1" - 1 1/2" in the window indents. Van does taper in toward the back. 72 3/4" was about 2' from the rear door glass and the 74" was close to the middle of the indent.

One trick that helps is the two self inflating 2 1/2" thick air mattresses used per person are 70" long so there is a 2 3/4" to 4" pocket at the end of the bed for your toes to go in when sleeping on your stomach.

 

[SummerWind]

thx for this forum and the much learned critique. test drove this last weekend
have to agree with all yall that bath too large and tanks too small
very overpriced
the bench seating is what I want so thats ok
will use the design part as a start.
there is now a coachman? called a cross fit? on the transit.
bare bones ugly

 

[RVing]

Lots of new paseos avail and 2018 model yr about to start, so the 90k price will likely start to fall. Seems about 15k more than the travato (yuck, from a reliability/serviceability standpoint) and 15k less than a sprinter (yuck for the same reasons though the layout is the best IMO). Travatos seem to depreciate fairly quickly as well.

Agree on the too small bed, too large bath and lack of a swiveling driver's seat. Expect this will limit sales (the bed at least).

ASSuming 2018 brings a redesigned Ebrake handle permitting the driver's seat to swivel, then many things are possible including a table up front like some sprinters so you don't have to make the bed every night. And a N-S sleeping orientation on a reasonably long bed.

 

[GracieUnicorn]

My husband is tall; so between him NOT fitting on most of these small B's beds; plus the risk of bonking his head while standing up - we ruled them out. Granted, he will bonk his head on our DIY conversion, but saving $40k or so overall, will soften the blow ;-)

Realistically - if you require all the features of a Class B and overall height isn't an issue, you might as well buy a small Class C. Some are half the price and offer TONS more room and storage.

 

[RVing]

Ya, but ClassCs stink to drive, at least those I've driven, and and any hope of a stealth aspect is gone.

 

[GracieUnicorn]

Ya, but ClassCs stink to drive, at least those I've driven, and and any hope of a stealth aspect is gone.

Our 2004 Gulf Stream 28' "C" handled like a van (of that era) after a simple wheel alignment as advised by our dealer; and we drove it in some fairly frisky conditions (blizzards, ice storms, sand storms, etc). But yes, "stealthiness" rates an absolute zero....>LOL!

I can't wait to see what the modern vans drive like!!

 

[AudeKhatru]

The Paseo was first, and recently, Coachman brought out the Crossfit.

http://www.coachmenrv.com/product-details.aspx?LineID=453&Image=22700

The Crossfit has two visual advantages.

1. It comes in Blue Jeans

2. It lacks that stupid looking chrome bar

It also appears to be a little cheaper. Just thought I's add this to the discussion for anyone who is looking for a ready made Class B on the Transit platform.

 

[sschefer]

The Paseo was first, and recently, Coachman brought out the Crossfit.

http://www.coachmenrv.com/product-details.aspx?LineID=453&Image=22700

The Crossfit has two visual advantages.

1. It comes in Blue Jeans

2. It lacks that stupid looking chrome bar

It also appears to be a little cheaper. Just thought I's add this to the discussion for anyone who is looking for a ready made Class B on the Transit platform.

One thing is for certain, the 350 HD extended HR is the chassis of choice. I wish now that I would have bought one instead of my 148 standard length. The extra two feet really makes a difference. If I wear mine out I will go that way.

 

[EddieZ]

The Paseo was first, and recently, Coachman brought out the Crossfit.

http://www.coachmenrv.com/product-details.aspx?LineID=453&Image=22700

The Crossfit has two visual advantages.

1. It comes in Blue Jeans

2. It lacks that stupid looking chrome bar

It also appears to be a little cheaper. Just thought I's add this to the discussion for anyone who is looking for a ready made Class B on the Transit platform.

What is the stupid looking chrome bar?

I note that they have not managed to get the awning far enough forward to give rain coverage to the open slider. Pretty sure that's due to the manufacturer's limitation on forward length unsupported.

 

[skagitstan]

What is the stupid looking chrome bar?

I note that they have not managed to the the awning far enough forward to give rain coverage to the open slider. Pretty sure that's due to the manufacturer's limitation on forward length unsupported.

That was the main reason we used a side mount for Annie's awning.

 

[RVing]

What is the stupid looking chrome bar?

I note that they have not managed to get the awning far enough forward to give rain coverage to the open slider. Pretty sure that's due to the manufacturer's limitation on forward length unsupported.

The paseo has, as an option I assume, a clumsy roof rack and ladder. Perhaps if you need to haul a canoe it has value. Would have thought w/ the rack they could attach the awning any way/where necessary.

 

[RVing]

The Paseo was first, and recently, Coachman brought out the Crossfit.

http://www.coachmenrv.com/product-details.aspx?LineID=453&Image=22700

The Crossfit has two visual advantages.

1. It comes in Blue Jeans

2. It lacks that stupid looking chrome bar

It also appears to be a little cheaper. Just thought I's add this to the discussion for anyone who is looking for a ready made Class B on the Transit platform.

Crossfit is a knock off by forest river. Reg microwave, no convection. Loose DVD playing in a cabinet vs built in dvd/am/fm/bluetooth/etc. player. Generator on crossfit is about 6' off the ground. Cheaper cushions and curtains. Cheaper head. Ive not been impressed by FR products, YMMV.

 

[RVing]

One thing is for certain, the 350 HD extended HR is the chassis of choice. I wish now that I would have bought one instead of my 148 standard length. The extra two feet really makes a difference. If I wear mine out I will go that way.

2ft is approx 20% increase in space. Big deal esp if you are including a head/shower. Parking is more of a pain of course.

Does anyone know if the DRW model uses the same tire/rim at every location?

 

[palmer1991]

Does anyone know if the DRW model uses the same tire/rim at every location?[/QUOTE]
Yes, they do.

 

[JAD]

The cabinet and drawer handles stick out enough to run into or catch your clothes.