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Hey all,

We're considering putting a two-burner induction cooktop into our new van build. As with most folks, we're concerned about energy usage. There are wildly varying estimates of how much energy an induction cooktop uses, from theoretical ("cooking for an hour a day at full tilt") to hopeful ("I only make a quarter portion of oatmeal per day, Ill be fine"). We wanted to take a real look at how much energy we could expect to be used, cooking some of our standard meals, on an induction cooktop.

I'll preface by saying that I prefer cooking with gas. Its what I know, what I've used, and just feels more controllable. I'm still learning how to properly use induction, so these numbers will change over time, but should remain ballpark accurate.

For a stovetop, we used a Duxtop 1800w 2-burner. We found it pretty easy to work with, except that the power differs between each burner. A power level of eight on the right equals a power level of four on the left, and the right burner can never go over the left's five setting, even though both burners go up to ten. Minor quibbles. I turned off power to the cooktop after its cooling fans had finished running, post-cook.

For cookware, we used a variety of pans, mostly heavy stainless steel, but including a lighter nonstick.

To measure, we used an emporia smart plug.The plug connects to your phone, and graphs usage over time, as well as outputting total usage in a variety of formats, including amp-hours. I find it easiest to think in amp-hours, so thats what I used. Unfortunately, the app doesn't have a good way of telling you how much energy you've used in a "session" and instead is tailored to monitoring continuous usage over time. However, it does provide a "total usage" number which I've found to be reasonably accurate. To get my measurements, I subtracted the total usage number at the beginning of the cook from that at the end. Obviously, we're not including loss to inverter, or issues along those lines - this is a test of how hungry the stovetop is on its own.

For meals, we were always cooking for two hungry adults. We made a variety of meals that we depend on in the van (and some we don't, for fun). Generally, meals that include rice, pasta, or other drawn-out or high-power cooks were the most expensive.

Without further ado, our little spreadsheet (so far):
MealUsage (120v amp-hours)Usage (watt-hours)Usage (12v amp-hours)Notes
Brown buttered eggs over easy (3 eggs)0.5464.85.4
Brown buttered eggs over easy (4 eggs)0.69683.526.96
Brown buttered eggs over easy (4 eggs)0.8968
Oatmeal0.836100.328.36
Enchilada filling 1.857222.8418.57
Pork tacos1.922819
6 tortillas, 2 quesadillas2.530025
Caramelized onions and smash burgers2.51301.225.1
Pork bowls with sautéed veggies and rice2.631226
Sesame soy beef bowl with carrots and rice2.732427
Shrimp creole and rice4.452844
Mashed potatoes4.655246
Spaghetti with chicken breast and tomato-balsamic sauce5.01601.250.1Chicken was seared then baked to finish


Over all, the meals we made were more than manageable from an energy consumption standpoint, in our eyes. We are going to move forward with using induction in the van.

Hopefully this can help someone else on here! Ill try to update with more real-world numbers after we have everything built up, and can measure real world usage from a shunt.

EDIT:
To avoid confusion, I've added a couple columns: watt-hours, and 12v amp-hours.
Formulae used:
  • watt-hours = amp-hours * volts
  • amp-hours = watt-hours / volts
  • watt-hours = Ah(120v)*120
  • 12v amp-hours = (Ah(120v)*120)/12
 

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Battery bank size is TBD, as we're still in the planning phase. We recently sold our last van, which had 200ah AGM - I wouldn't have been able to run a large enough inverter on it due to power draw requirements, but I believe low-power cooking would still have been doable.

To safely power a 2000w inverter (plus a bit more) we're intending on (at least) Battleborn's 270ah GC3 battery in the new van.
 

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Thank you for posting this info.

I personally prefer to look at watt-hrs consumption numbers when possible, as it puts all usage / charging on a common footing.

Does the meter provide any insights into the peak or average running watts during cooking?

Many of the electric cook tops that I have run into tend to be on / off controls based, so they still need fairly substantial inverter / battery packs to operate, even though the actual consumption is fairly modest per use.
 

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The meter gives you access to running watts graphed over time, down to one-second granularity. While the meter doesn't track instant peak demand, the stovetop's cycles are pretty slow, so you can see the fluctuations while cycling. The Duxtop only cycles below half-power, and has a smooth power requirement above. From what I can see (with this monitoring tool) power draw never went above 1800w, and stayed significantly below during startup, cycling, and constant draw.

I understand the benefits to keeping things in watt-hours, but I chose to use amp-hours. The monitoring device offers watt-hours as well, so if you're curious it'd be an easy thing to set up.
 

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Battery bank size is TBD, as we're still in the planning phase. We recently sold our last van, which had 200ah AGM - I wouldn't have been able to run a large enough inverter on it due to power draw requirements, but I believe low-power cooking would still have been doable.

To safely power a 2000w inverter (plus a bit more) we're intending on (at least) Battleborn's 270ah GC3 battery in the new van.
Thanks. I have 200ah and you seem to confirm what I had previously assumed, that is not enough for the induction stove.

However, I am still confused as the relationship between ah (from the battery) and amp-hours usage from your graph. Obviously 5 amp-hours for your spaghetti does not correlate to the 100 ah available, as I could make a lot of spaghetti before discharging the battery...so what's the missing piece in between? the amp-hours coming out of the Inverter? Thanks for any clarification.
 

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However, I am still confused as the relationship between ah (from the battery) and amp-hours usage from your graph. Obviously 5 amp-hours for your spaghetti does not correlate to the 100 ah available, as I could make a lot of spaghetti before discharging the battery...so what's the missing piece in between? the amp-hours coming out of the Inverter? Thanks for any clarification.
The missing piece here is continuous amp draw that the battery can support. While you have 200ah available, the battery cannot dump all that immediately. If you look at your battery’s spec sheet, you’ll see a continuous and peak discharge rate in amps. A rough rule of thumb I’ve read is 100ah lifepo for every 1000w of inverter capacity (obviously, check your inverter specs to confirm). Since the cooktop can pull 1800w, you’d be pretty tight on headroom with a 2000w inverter, and the battery would be strained running that (plus whatever other house items you have like fan, fridge, lights, etc).
 

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What voltage is your battery system? In general using wH as opposed to aH is nice because then we know how much power you are using and folks with 12/24/48 volt system can compare usage easily.
 

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What voltage is your battery system? In general using wH as opposed to aH is nice because then we know how much power you are using and folks with 12/24/48 volt system can compare usage easily.
This is measured at the 120v outlet. As mentioned in original post, I’m looking forward to being able to do the same measurements with a shunt at the battery.
 

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We've been using an single burner induction cooktop for over a year (including much dead of winter use) and have never use more than 1/2 the power it could use ... it doesn't need to use full power to boil water quickly and cook any / all meals.

Our Duxtop has power ratings from 1 - 10 ... and we always use 5 or lower to limit the max draw. Our system could handle the max power draw ... but we simply don't need to use that much.
 

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Agreed about need to understand in watt-hrs. Sounds like this was done in your home? At 120v. So that spaghetti was 600 watt-hrs or in a 12v system 50 amp/hrs+inverter inefficiency. Might not be able to make too many consecutive nights of spaghettis?
 

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This is measured at the 120v outlet. As mentioned in original post, I’m looking forward to being able to do the same measurements with a shunt at the battery.
Oh, sorry I missed that. The device I have doesn't measure aH of AC, just wH. I find it easier to think in terms of wH because that tells you how much power was used without needing to know the voltage. So in your example of buttered eggs it uses 64.8wH, .54 x 120? That seems high. Anyway, thanks for clarifying.
 

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Bravo. Excellent table. Add a column for watts, though - just do the math for people (doesn't have to be perfect). From what I've seen, there will be plenty of confusion about amps @ 120V (versus @12V).

We ran a dual-burner induction in our last rig and have a single-burner in the current rig and found similarly that we more commonly run at ~700W rate even though there's a 1500W potential. And not "on-off" as some of the old-school electric burners were. And no observed spike at power-on. This was on a Pure Induction dual initially and two different Duxtops recently. But 1500W for boiling water, of course.

We found that the pan can make a bit of difference, unsurprisingly. The steel pans with the "induction friendly" base heated up a bit faster than our preferred cast-iron. But I like the way cast-iron cooks better for eggs and stuff like that, so... 🤷‍♀️
 

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Ah, gregoryx you beat me to it! I just added watt-hours and 12v amp-hours to my table in the original post, to ensure we don't get too much confusion.
🤣 I'll remove it from mine. Keep the confusion down!
 

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Might not be able to make too many consecutive nights of spaghettis?
Who really wants spaghetti that much anyhow? ;) FWIW I expect real expenditure of spaghetti energy to be lower, as I used a larger stock pot (and more water) than one typically would in the van.

So in your example of buttered eggs it uses 64.8wH, .54 x 120? That seems high. Anyway, thanks for clarifying.
Ya gotta take the extra time to make some brown butter so the eggs are worth eating! Plain eggs are significantly cheaper energy-wise.
 
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