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propane vs coleman stove vs alochol stove

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Worried about propane. thinking about others
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Why are you worried about propane?

Should not be a problem if tank is in a sealed enclosure that has a drain hose.
Because, if there is a leak, the gas settles downward filling up the van and I am talking about primitive camping with a small portable stove inside. I hope this helps explain my simple camping
I'd feel less safe with an alcohol or white gas stove, one spill could send your rig up in smoke. If you're like me, and enjoy a little of the ingestible alcohol with your cooking, little spills here and there are common.

I'd avoid keeping a propane tank inside if possible, since they can vent or leak, however if you must, use a gas detector to alert you if it leaks while you sleep. I have one that is combined with a carbon monoxide alarm.
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I will have a sealed box for the cylinder with a 1" drain hose out of the box down through the floor.
Coleman stove requires carrying gas cans and is inconvenient. Propane version requires carrying propane, which even in 1 pound bottles is still propane. Alcohol is the safest but has a lot lower heat content and is many times more expensive to operate than propane (I forget what I calculated but it has lower heat content per gallon than propane but costs $15 per gallon at home maintenance stores). Propane does go boom under certain circumstances. Option you have not included is electric induction cook top, with lots more batteries, charging, and 2KW inverter.

I too had serious issues with propane since I could not figure out a good low cost method to mount a tank below the floor (horizontal tanks are expensive and there are not really any good deep spaces below floor for a 20 pound tank, barely for a 10). I have had propane on my sailboat for the last 25 years and think nothing of it. But then, my propane locker is built into the steel hull at deck level and any propane leaks drains directly overboard and if the tanks go boom the explosion will go up through wood deck hatch and not into boat. But a below decks leak would be bad. But we are on camper vans. I have decided to add propane in internal tanks. Specifically 2 ea 11 pound tanks below the sink in a home made sealed box with fiberglass epoxy coating and the appropriate overboard drains. The simple DOT rules, as best I find them, are an air intake at the top of a sealed box and an air/propane drain at the bottom of the box, each of at least 3/4 inch diameter. Current rules may require more cross section but I decided to limit myself to the 2 ea 3/4 inch hoses. British marine rules and older DOT rules match what I have done. The opening for the box must be above the highest point of the valve, so that if you have a leak in the door, propane can not leak out. So box is top loading only. Top will be O-ring sealed with compression latches. Stove is a 2 burner ENO Force 10 stainless marine cook top. It has automatic propane shutoff if flame goes out. Not RV cheap crap. I will have a 12V solenoid valve at tank which must be turned on via remote switch in order for propane to flow (solenoid is explosion proof). You can throw in propane detector if you want too (I am not yet sure if I will do that in the van). The internal tanks do take space, but my alternate use for the area was recycle and trash bags, so no big loss.
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I am thinking about a coleman fuel camp stove or an alcohol stove like they use on boats. Alcohol goes up and does not settle downwards like propane.
Thanks for replies. I too am sailor and feel safe with alcohol stove on boats. A few years ago we had a family in a tent on the lake shore all die from propane leak and am leary of propane. I am talking stealth here for van and ability to remove all camping equipment from van. Used to winter back pack a lot.
Propane is a standard choice for the many RV's (and camper vans) on the road ...
Why is alcohol considered so safe? We have an alcohol-burning fireplace insert, and the fuel bottles have warnings all over them about spillage, and how the flames can be invisible, etc. I know that alcohol is used extensively on boats, so it must be okay, I'm just wondering why it's okay.

paul
Yeah, alcohol is expensive and inefficient for any use other than short term cooking needs.

Propane stoves are a great option and a horizontal tank can be easily installed underfloor (not taking up valuable interior floor space, negating safety requirements discussed above). Have used a horizontally mounted 5 gallon propane tank under a VW Westy camper for many years with no issues. That size of tank would supply about 100+ days of cooking w/ a 2 burner stove. If the tank is used exclusively for cooking, then anything larger would be overkill.

For my 2015 Transit camper, I bought a VW Eurovan horizontal tank and mounted it between the frame rails on the driver side of my van. The tank extends down no further than the frame rails themselves, so no lost clearance due to tank.

I bought my tank from GoWesty.com, however, I have since learned that all of GW's tanks are manufactured by Rockymountainwesty.com on the Front in CO. You'd likely need to contact Mike @ RMW directly since I don't think these are listed on his website.
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I put a 30# external tank under Annie. Not too hard to do. And it certainly saves a bunch of internal space. No venting or other concerns of inside tanks either.
Why is alcohol considered so safe? We have an alcohol-burning fireplace insert, and the fuel bottles have warnings all over them about spillage, and how the flames can be invisible, etc. I know that alcohol is used extensively on boats, so it must be okay, I'm just wondering why it's okay.

paul
a boat is open at the top and closed at the bottom. Propane gas seeks the lowest point, therefore this situation is bad on a vessel that has no way for the propane to seek a lower point than the hull, whereas alcohol fumes and gas go up so it can vent from the deck and vents in the deck thus preventing the death of the crew of the vessel.
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a boat is open at the top and closed at the bottom. Propane gas seeks the lowest point, therefore this situation is bad on a vessel that has no way for the propane to seek a lower point than the hull, whereas alcohol fumes and gas go up so it can vent from the deck and vents in the deck thus preventing the death of the crew of the vessel.
oh, i see. so alcohol is safer because of venting issues -- not necessarily because of handling issues. thanks!
When my father in law was ordering up his Sprinter conversion recently, a friend who is a local fire chief recommended propane over alcohol due to safety concerns over spilled alcohol and the fact that burning alcohol is basically invisible. That might be being overly cautious, but it's something to consider.
Me, I'm a portable stove and propane canister guy. A good solution if you're not doing a ton of camping. I get several weekends out of one little canister.
JP
JP4 -- agree completely. our stove will definitely be small canisters of some sort.

and heat will be a Mr. Buddy (also propane) until we see how bad the condensation issue is, and make some decisions based on usage about how much we need a built-in vented system.

paul
In the Sprinter I had a Coleman 10,000 btu/burner two burner propane stove. Had difficulty boiling water on a couple of occasions so Transit has a Camp Chef Ranger II stove with 17,000 btu burners.

For heat I use a DC heating pad under the sleeping bag. Van inside gets cold so refrigerator runs much less. Electrical usage stays about the same. Very quiet and stealth. Bought remote start so I can start van from bed in the morning to warm van.
When my father in law was ordering up his Sprinter conversion recently, a friend who is a local fire chief recommended propane over alcohol due to safety concerns over spilled alcohol and the fact that burning alcohol is basically invisible. That might be being overly cautious, but it's something to consider.
Me, I'm a portable stove and propane canister guy. A good solution if you're not doing a ton of camping. I get several weekends out of one little canister.
JP
Sounds pretty good. I already use two Mr. BUDDY PROPANE heaters when I want to get in my travel trailer. I have two windows open an inch and a quarter.
I will be cooking outside the van as much as possible, so will have a camp stove and the small green propane canisters anyway. When needed, I'll set up the same in the van and just keep a window open or a fan on. I considered using a butane stove, but it's hard to find little butane canisters in some areas (they are small and portable, so I may carry one anyway). The little propane canisters are sold everywhere. For heat, I'm going with an Espar airtronic system. A large propane system might be overkill unless you use to for heat and hot water as well. I'll use a Zodi extreme for a hot shower and I can always heat water on the stove or microwave or several other methods mentioned by others on this forum.
For heat, I'm going with an Espar airtronic system.
i'm assuming you mean the gasoline-powered one? yeah, that seems like a good solution if you don't want propane. people seem to say they're really loud -- i'd love to hear one in person before i'd pull the trigger on that. (on the other hand -- "warm enough? priceless...")
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