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I reached out to AdWagon to see if they would offer the upper wall/ceiling L-track portion of their kit (6 length-wise runs) as an al a cart item. Their initial response is that you'd have to buy their full kit (semi stripped) that would still include all the panels etc for $9K. I'm curious what level of demand there would be if they did offer it separately at a reasonable price to incentivize them/incentivize me to develop a kit solution beyond a one off for myself. Note the cost of L-track included itself would be about $1000 just to start (12 96" lengths), so something higher than that for the mounting system design/material/fab. Please select the MOST you might be willing to pay.
 

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Forgot to link to their kit so ya'll know what I'm talking about:
 

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I reached out to AdWagon to see if they would offer the upper wall/ceiling L-track portion of their kit (6 length-wise runs) as an al a cart item. Their initial response is that you'd have to buy their full kit (semi stripped) that would still include all the panels etc for $9K. I'm curious what level of demand there would be if they did offer it separately at a reasonable price to incentivize them/incentivize me to develop a kit solution beyond a one off for myself. Note the cost of L-track included itself would be about $1000 just to start (12 96" lengths), so something higher than that for the mounting system design/material/fab. Please select the MOST you might be willing to pay.
I just went through the same conversation with them. I'd like to re-do my walls and use their recessed panels. Unfortunately, they told me they are absolutely not interested in selling the panels and L-track or just the panels alone.

It makes sense - the panels are probably the choke point in their supply chain and their most unique selling feature. Given that all of the up-fit suppliers are back-ordered and clamoring for parts, every panel kit they supply alone, would delay a full kit for somebody else.
 

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Isn't the L-Track bolted to the Transit body ? In other words, what else would there be as part of the kit other than the L-Track and the attachment hardware?
 

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Isn't the L-Track bolted to the Transit body ? In other words, what else would there be as part of the kit other than the L-Track and the attachment hardware?
Take a look at their website. Vans are all compound curves and gaps. AV supply additional braces and forms which let you put the L-track where its the most useful, rather than where there happens to be a few feet of available wall.

I got their MOAB bed and the track mounting kit for it and it was worth every cent.
 

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Isn't the L-Track bolted to the Transit body ? In other words, what else would there be as part of the kit other than the L-Track and the attachment hardware?
There are metal braces that span between the ceiling ribs to provide structure behind the L-track. The same is true at the upper corners also.
 

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Adwagon stuff is cool. But I don't get at all how they could charge so much other than the convenience factor, but I'm a cheap-ishskate. I guess I ignored those lessons on opportunity cost in Econ class.
Several of us have L-track on walls and ceilings. It isn't difficult to install at all. Drill, plusnuts, stainless hardware. The hardest part is making the wall and ceiling panels to fit, but that isn't too bad once you've done one or two.
 

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But I don't get at all how they could charge so much other than the convenience factor
I visited them last year after I bought my van to ask them questions about a DIY conversion. They're a great company who is big into R&D. They spend a lot of time and money developing their products -- very highly engineered stuff, well thought-out and well-made. I was planning on buying just their wall brackets but they didn't have them in stock when I needed them, so I had to create my own.

In the end, I didn't like the pattern of their L-Track because I wanted some above my sliding door and I wanted the ceiling L-Track in a different place. I spent a couple weeks to finally get it all figured out and installed correctly. While I'm happy with what I came up with, I'd say the ~$650 for those brackets would be well worth the time saved if you like how the L-Track is laid out.

For my ceiling, I made brackets by welding nuts to steel bars. Installing the steel bars into the ceiling beams spreads out the weight and allow me to use holes where plusnuts were impossible to install. It also gave me two more mounting places for other things I needed. (The bolt securing the bracket in the picture was just there to line the hole up until the L-Track was installed.)

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I was planning on buying just their wall brackets but they didn't have them in stock when I needed them, so I had to create my own.
Interesting...when I emailed them they said they would only sell the kit in total. Did they seem open to selling the ceiling bracketry when you spoke to them?

For my ceiling, I made brackets by welding nuts to steel bars. Installing the steel bars into the ceiling beams spreads out the weight and allow me to use holes where plusnuts were impossible to install. It also gave me two more mounting places for other things I needed. (The bolt securing the bracket in the picture was just there to line the hole up until the L-Track was installed.)
Yas! This is exactly what I just posted a thread looking for. Is your build documented in detail anywhere? From the pictures I can't completely understand what you did. Are there fore-aft beams running behind the L-track? I'd love details on specific bar types and dimensions.

Thanks!
 

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I haven't documented my build yet, no.

There are fore-aft beams between the L-Track and the ceiling beams. I used 3" x 1/4" aluminum (we'll call these support beams), which was much lighter than I thought it'd be. That's what's drilled out for the L-Track, with nylock nuts on the side facing the roof. There are also strips of 1/4" PVC plastic between the roof beams and the L-Track support beams for a bit of a thermal break.

So the stack goes like this:
  • Transit roof beam with homemade bracket inside
  • 3" x 3" x 1/4" PVC plastic
  • 3" x 102" x 1/4" aluminum support beam
  • 96" L-Track from Mac's Custom Tie Downs (They call it Versa-Track)
The support beams are bolted into the brackets with counter-sunk screws. The L-Track is only bolted into the support beams.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

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@carryingforks, Thanks! Super helpful! You've already inspired a few potential variations for my ceiling mounting scheme. I'll shoot you some design concepts as the come together if you don't mind giving feedback. Obviously you thought hard on this.
 

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I haven't documented my build yet, no.

There are fore-aft beams between the L-Track and the ceiling beams. I used 3" x 1/4" aluminum (we'll call these support beams), which was much lighter than I thought it'd be. That's what's drilled out for the L-Track, with nylock nuts on the side facing the roof. There are also strips of 1/4" PVC plastic between the roof beams and the L-Track support beams for a bit of a thermal break.

So the stack goes like this:
  • Transit roof beam with homemade bracket inside
  • 3" x 3" x 1/4" PVC plastic
  • 3" x 102" x 1/4" aluminum support beam
  • 96" L-Track from Mac's Custom Tie Downs (They call it Versa-Track)
The support beams are bolted into the brackets with counter-sunk screws. The L-Track is only bolted into the support beams.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

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@carryingforks Is this more or less how the L Track on your walls is fastened as well? I noticed AV rivnuts the flat bar stock to the wall and then fastens the L track to the bar stock.

Your track is exactly what I'm going for.

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@carryingforks, Thanks! Super helpful! You've already inspired a few potential variations for my ceiling mounting scheme. I'll shoot you some design concepts as the come together if you don't mind giving feedback. Obviously you thought hard on this.
Take a look at Flatline Van Co's Transit DIY Bed Bracket Kit as well. It looks like Adventure Wagon removed that page I linked to above, but Flatline has a similar kit now. I haven't looked that far into it so I'm not sure how it compares.
 

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Take a look at Flatline Van Co's Transit DIY Bed Bracket Kit as well. It looks like Adventure Wagon removed that page I linked to above, but Flatline has a similar kit now. I haven't looked that far into it so I'm not sure how it compares.
I just got the Flatline bed kit and install thus far has been kind of meh... no instructions and have had to email them for guidance. Not quite sure how I feel about it yet.
 

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Looking into this. How did the brackets work out? Still unsatisfied?
Overall it worked out. I'm fairly satisfied, but there were a few issues with my 2018 passenger wagon. Alignment holes not matching, provided rivets too short, and a mix up on my side not knowing the mounting hole differences between airline l track and regular l track (4" v 5" center to center spacing). Airline l track is an absolute must if you plan on retaining the rear door trim. The horizontal bed mounting bracket cannot move forward far enough if you mount the bracket directly to the pillar braces. FVC did a good job of responding to my questions and are aware the instructions are lacking. Hopefully this can provide some basic information to other folks.

Step 1: Take it all apart. Surprisingly only broke one clip. No-mar plastic trim tools are a necessity. I used the cheap blue ones from Harbor Freight.
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Rear Brackets: I started with the rear passenger bracket first since it seemed like the easiest. The first challenge was the top and bottom alignment holes. The spacing is off ~1/8 inch requiring you to either align the top, bottom, or split the difference (sorry I didn't take a picture). I chose to align the top. Had to put the bottom rivnut in at an angle and its not fully seated. After that I started to set the 3/16 rivets with a pneumatic tool and found the purple circled areas require longer rivets. This is due to the slight bend in the bracket that prevents it from fully seating.

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Front Bracket Issues: These ones were a pain for alignment. The top and bottom holes were ~1/4 off spacing between the bracket and the van. Additionally, the location of pemnuts and rivnuts would require elongated holes. Knowing I was going to put the headliner back on I decided to do the following.

Align only the top hole between the bracket and van, remove the top pemnut from the bracket using my drill press to avoid an elongated hole, elongated the bottom pemnut location in the van, and did not insert a rivnut into the bottom alignment hole (circled in red).

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Another issue with the front bracket was the lack of a location for the factory black plastic headliner bracket (blue squares). Originally, I planned to grind the FVC bracket to get the headliner piece back in. When I thought about he l track I realized it would never be able to fit in the same location so I dropped the idea.

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Final product: I can try to post some up close pictures before final assembly later, but here is what it looks like all complete. I moved the bed just high enough to clear the bottom trim pieces. Future plan is to put in a slider for two mountain bikes to be fork mounted. I want to reemphasize the need for aircraft l track. Regular l track will not fit the brackets and if you want to keep your rear trim you need the aircraft l track.




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Final issue that came up this week is the integrated l-track mounting points on the bed panels are tad undersized to fit the QD cargo tie downs I have. Not sure if this is a bed panel issue or cargo tie down issue. I'm going to see if a different set works. If not I'll have to either take a file to the inner parts of the bed panel l track points or reduce the diameter of the tie downs somehow.

Despite the issues, FVC was very responsive and I give them props for the customer service.
 

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The Adventure Wagon L track reinforcement brackets, along with the thermoformed panels, is the core of their product. I can't see them being willing to sell them separately. Everything else in their kit can be sourced by an enterprising DIY'er with a cost savings.
 

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I just got the Flatline bed kit and install thus far has been kind of meh... no instructions and have had to email them for guidance. Not quite sure how I feel about it yet.
Same boat - had to figure it all out myself.

Nice guys though and the platform is really nice.

Note - I found that you can’t install the bed platform without L- Track. If you bolt the bed rails to their wall mounts, it’s too wide for the platform. Wasn’t expecting that.

One negative now that I have it installed is it’s slippery as all get out. My camping mat and sleeping bag end up on the floor after any breaking.

Time to buy some carpet no-slip matting.


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