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Hello everybody! I've been doing a lot of reading here to learn about the new transit and it seems like a nice board, hopefully I can add to the community.

A little about me: I'm a brand new (less than a week on the job) Nissan Commercial Manager. I'm actually a Sprinter convert. I've worked with sprinter for years, and been in and or around the car business since the age of 15 (34 now). I have an addiction to anything that has an engine, I guess I could be referred to as the proverbial "gear head". I love working with commercial products and their customers. I'm really happy that ford has finally stepped up to replace the antiquated E that's been on the market fooooorever. A competitive marketplace benefits all of us for sure! With all the new trucks I have A LOT of research to do.

I know that no one vehicle can be everything to everyone so maybe a quick question......

Did you look at the NV before you bought your transit? May I ask what you did or didn't like about the truck and what ultimately swung the pendulum toward the ford?

Cheers, Chris!
 

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Hello Chris and welcome to the forum.

My wife and I looked at and test drove the Nissan NV3500 passenger before deciding on the Transit. The nv drove well, but seemed to have very little power and she hated the look at the truck. Her first impression was "Oh **** no!". The fuel mileage was worse than our suburban as well, and we couldn't get a rubber floor instead of the carpet. The transit was much more customizable and even the 3.7 felt like it had more power than the Nissan. So we ordered the Transit to our specs.

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Forgot to mention that the transit drove and rode better.
 

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Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your new job, Chris.

I have not looked at Nissans or Sprinters. The nearest dealers for those are at least 40 miles away and here in my mid-70s life stage, I don't need to deal with the logistics of out-of town maintenance, etc.

We are buying this Transit for easy conversion to a stand-up, mobility vehicle with good insulation and amenities when the need arises. I have driven Transits and they meet our needs.
 

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Hello and welcome Chris,


I'm an electrical contractor, and as such have many years experience in commercial trucks.
There are quite a few of the NV 2500 High trucks around my town and the reason I'm guessing so is because they are cheaper than the Sprinter.
As for the Nissan it's not designed for an Electrical Contractor or Plumber or Sheet metal or for anyone who has materials that are 10 feet long.
Once the Mandatory Bulk Head is installed in the truck I'm not sure how much length is in the cargo but it looks to be around 80". The new 155" Transit will have 120" length in the back after the Bulk Head is installed.
If I buy a truck for work it's imperative that the space is used for work, it seems the NV wastes way to much on the Engine space design.
Due to this design it also gives it a poor visual appearance. ( trying to be polite ).
Much like the Pro Ram it is not a great truck to look at from the front.
The truck would better serve delivery companies and such much more then Tradesmen.
Hope this helps out a bit.
 

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No van in my possession yet...

Its not always about the looks, but its certainly a big part of it. My current thoughts on appearance:

Sprinter - looks great, especially the new ones
Transit - similar to Sprinter, bit more of a snout, looks better in person than pictures
ProMaster - best comment I've read is that its "sexy ugly", after seeing some in person I'm liking them better than I did so start with
Nissan - not just ugly, but hideous. And looks even worse in person or on the road.
 
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Just got back from looking at the Transit. A little disappointed but I am keeping an open mind. Waiting to see the passenger van. I have looked at Nissan and it is still in the running. Unfortunately, the sales staff in San Antonio is NEVER available. They don't work weekends and have been unavailable the 4 times I have stopped by to look at them. Worried that the NV will not be able to be serviced at ALL Nissan service places. Feel free to set me straight if that is not true. Continuing to look and weigh my options.
 

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Just got back from looking at the Transit. A little disappointed but I am keeping an open mind. Waiting to see the passenger van. I have looked at Nissan and it is still in the running. Unfortunately, the sales staff in San Antonio is NEVER available. They don't work weekends and have been unavailable the 4 times I have stopped by to look at them. Worried that the NV will not be able to be serviced at ALL Nissan service places. Feel free to set me straight if that is not true. Continuing to look and weigh my options.
Honestly, like I said, I'm in day two and have a tall order in front of me. My first week is simply dedicated to product knowledge and Nissan Certification testing. So to be honest I can't answer that question as I sit here at home now but I can certainly do so on Monday, I'll PM you, or feel free to shoot me one.

Not that anyone asked for it, but my unbiased opinion on the trucks follows simply like this...... (I could speak on this for hours, I'm going to try to keep it short)

Sprinter was easily the truck of choice and in my opinion the only way to go for many fleets and small business owners until the Nissan and Ford Transit. You hear a lot of bad rap on the net about them but then again 99% of the time people only speak up to complain. My personal experience at the dealership was that although there were some quirks, it was a platform that would regularly perform as a solid work tool for 400,000 + miles before needing a major service. There were exceptions, but there always are, not a large amount though. I personally think the sprinter drives the better than the ford but that's simply subjective. The sprinter I do honestly believe will lose the market share it's fought to gain over the last ten years. I believe with the vehicles offered now will sell in many markets to European immigrants (which many tradesman in many cities are), the boutique conversion market (which I worked with very closely), and in colder climate. I think the 4x4 option coming to market will be a no brainer for someone is snow climates.

The Fullsize transit will no doubt take over if for no other reason than the foothold Ford holds in fleet sales. Add to that a vastly greater service network, more power options and pricepoints, buying incentives the domestic manufacturers always have going on, and the comparable space found in the sprinter, it seems inevitable. I can't speak to the reliability so to be honest it's an unknown, it's simply too new.

The Dodge I don't see gaining much traction for many reason, the biggest of which is the experience people received at dodge dealers when they were selling the Sprinter. I simply cannot tell you how many Dodge Sprinter owners had problems with ill trained and unfriendly dealers they needed service from. Being that it will compete for the European client the sprinter vies for this is a BIG problem. When we learned of the Dodge coming out at Benz and customers learned of it, literally 80% of people said they wouldn't even step through the door because of it. So using that same dealer network and having to familiarize themselves with yet another European product......How long will that take and how will the attitude change? With known bugs, and what I feel is not only cheap but relatively quirky construction I'd personally don't think the vehicle will make any waves.

The Nissan NV.... The vehicle doesn't drive better or worse than the above, just different. My first spin in the van felt like I was driving a truck. Some people like it, some people don't. I do, (though keep in mind my favorite personal vehicle is a 78 bronco so I love trucks) There are next to no problems on the truck and I do have to say I think the NV will frequent the service dept the least out of the bunch. I've got to talk to many owners who have come in for oil changes and whatnot that have been burned by Detroit cars from a reliability standpoint and will buy Japanese for that specific reason. I don't feel the dodge is a viable vehicle here for the reason I mentioned so comparing the Ford and Sprinter, Nissan provides more value for the buyer that can accommodate one of it's configurations (albeit more space limited than those two). Also the warranty is by far the best of the bunch. (however I can say that at sprinter we had very reasonable factory warranty options that pushed that to 120,000 miles).

I think they will all have their place and appeal to different people for different reasons. I could make an argument for Sprinter, Nissan, or Ford depending on the buyers needs.

The small transit and nv are an entirely different subject.
 

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Nissan - not just ugly, but hideous. And looks even worse in person or on the road.[/QUOTE]


Can't say it better, neither my wife or I would be seen in one!


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And it doesn't drive so hot either IMO. I took one for a spin abut 6 months ago, left the lot and never looked back.
 

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A few of my friends went the Nissan route for work vans and are happy despite the poor mpg (they claim 13-15 mpg with their v8's?) and shorter boxes.

I just couldn't but one myself. Too ugly imo. They remind of the dog catcher van in the beginning of the movie Dumb and Dumber. LoL!
 

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Nissan - not just ugly, but hideous. And looks even worse in person or on the road.

Can't say it better, neither my wife or I would be seen in one!


Epps[/QUOTE]

Oh I don't disagree, but looks isn't something that Id personally consider on a work truck, nor has anyone that I've sold to. I'll say it doesn't hurt to look "less ugly" but it's far from a reason to buy or not buy a vehicle that individuals us as a tool to make $$ and provide for their family. To me it would be like buying a minivan, do I buy the minivan that's the least ugly (they are all ugly) or the one that will haul the kids and gear the best on my budget.

Make no mistake about it. I don't see the huge custom conversion market for executives or well to do people with the Nissan do to that reason, however I don't think it was a market they intended to capture, same goes to ford.
 

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For my business, looks and image go a long way. Everyone around here has Express and Econolines. I wanted to be different, have a diesel, and a lot more room? The Sprinter high roof was the answer until I heard that Ford was coming out with the full size Transit. I bought one asap.

Being the loyal Ford guy I have been for the last 18 years, the Transit diesel was a no brainer for me. It looks just as good as the Sprinter (even better imo) and I love my diesel.

This was my 2010 Ford Econoline


This is the new van that replaced it.


I constantly get comments daily on how nice my van is!
 

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For my business, looks and image go a long way. Everyone around here has Express and Econolines. I wanted to be different, have a diesel, and a lot more room? The Sprinter high roof was the answer until I heard that Ford was coming out with the full size Transit. I bought one asap.

Being the loyal Ford guy I have been for the last 18 years, the Transit diesel was a no brainer for me. It looks just as good as the Sprinter (even better imo) and I love my diesel.

This was my 2010 Ford Econoline


This is the new van that replaced it.


I constantly get comments daily on how nice my van is!

You know what, I really like your old econoline. Don't think I've ever seen a work van in Chicago (where I came from) that nice. The work vans out in that salt and in the city really get destroyed. In fact I do very much like the new one too. I've always liked the beefy look of the dually, congrats on the new truck!

VAN MAN: I believe your insinuating that a person who drives a Nissan, or even the Pro Master will hurt their business by doing so. I'm simply going to leave that alone, I don't want to go there.
 

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When I was comparing the Transit low roof to the NV low roof (V6's) what floored me was the weight of the Nissan. It weighs 800 lbs more than the Transit in the low roof configuration. For me I could load a Transit or Promaster with my tools & equipment & be under the base weight of the NV! That weight has a huge fuel penalty over the life of a vehicle & the biggest cost factor for a long term work vehicle is fuel.
The looks of the NV are not good, but not a deal breaker for me. It is important for potential customers to see that the person who will be working on their home or business is driving a presentable vehicle. You are being evaluated from the moment you arrive on site. I don't think what you drive (brand wise) matters just that it isn't a rusted, dented piece of junk.
I think the NV could use a mechanical freshening to update the mechanicals & address the weight, it will have a place, but not be a serious competitor to the Transit in its current configuration IMO.
 

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It is difficult to sell a modified pickup in a competative market. I understand Nissan's approach to overing a van in the USA. They had production capacity available on their large pickup assembly line so decided to add a van body to help fill the void. Result was a van that is a Titan with an ugly box on the back. Too many compromises to be competative.

Nissan sells proper vans in other parts of the world that are competative. The problem is how they produce them for this market. Mercedes solution is not cost effective, Build in Germany, dissassemble and reassemble in USA. I suspect that Ford will make more money per vehicle on the Transit than Mercedes makes on each Sprinter despite a higher Sprinter price.

If Nissan wants to be a factor in this market they need to sell a proper vehicle.
 

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It is difficult to sell a modified pickup in a competative market. I understand Nissan's approach to overing a van in the USA. They had production capacity available on their large pickup assembly line so decided to add a van body to help fill the void. Result was a van that is a Titan with an ugly box on the back. Too many compromises to be competative.

Nissan sells proper vans in other parts of the world that are competative. The problem is how they produce them for this market. Mercedes solution is not cost effective, Build in Germany, dissassemble and reassemble in USA. I suspect that Ford will make more money per vehicle on the Transit than Mercedes makes on each Sprinter despite a higher Sprinter price.

If Nissan wants to be a factor in this market they need to sell a proper vehicle.
I do know how to spell offering but this web site does not allow editing after 10 minutes. Do not know the reason but it is aggavating.
 

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I do know how to spell offering but this web site does not allow editing after 10 minutes. Do not know the reason but it is aggavating.
We all know you can spell,

You described the NV as it is, A pick up with a cap on the back. Nissan will not make the tooling investment or pay the "Chicken tax" to be a player in the US van market.
Sprinter= reassembly
Transit= made in USA
promaster= made in mexico (NAFTA)

Don't forget that GM wants to sell the Opel van here
 
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