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rabbitdiesel1 said:

Do any of you guys know of a web site where you can get information, and post about the transit diesel without all the negative comments from people who don't care for diesels?

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http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/...s/6185-mpg-3-2-diesel-powerstroke-thread.html

May I suggest V37 that the thread you linked is not a good place for a general diesel discussion, as it focuses on MPG mileage results (within the MPG sub-forum).

Here are a couple of possibilities which are more general in focus, if rabbitdiesel does not want to start his own thread:

-- gas vs. diesel -- http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/ford-transit-general-discussion/6233-gas-vs-diesel.html
-- diesel vs. gas another perspective -- http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/...n/1745-diesel-vs-gas-another-perspective.html
-- power stroke diesel problems -- http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/...921-power-stroke-diesel-any-problems-yet.html

etc.

Thanks.

PeterR said:

First of all you ended up in a thread that is open to criticism of both gas and diesel engines. Why not start your own thread and ask up front that people focus on the strengths of the diesel? Or any other requests you have . . .

Stand by for possible venue: (on a mobile device = slow posting)

Here you go, just click on "Post New Thread" at the top left, give it a title, and write the first post with suggested guidelines:

http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/ford-transit-general-discussion/

Warning, be careful spelling the thread title, as I don't think you can correct typos later. Good luck!

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I started a tread about a year ago called Diesel Only, check it out. I wanted to hear from people who were interested in the diesel only. 27 out of the first 33 posts were negative diesel comments from people who weren't even interested in the diesel transit. Guess who posted first, Orton with his list of negative comments, followed by his supporters.

Well maybe post a link to that old thread and we will revisit the issue. You may need to thicken your skin a bit . . . . ?

PS rabbit, IMO you are misjudging both orton and "his supporters" -- just because they agree in their criticisms of the diesel at times, does not make them a team of negativity, except perhaps in your mind.

PS2 Lynn, your first post a year ago in March 2014 sure opened the door pretty wide for pro's and con's:

"I don't want to start a war but, how many people are interested in the diesel only? Unlike the Promaster I think Ford plans to sell a lot."

And orton's reply seemed appropriate and measured.

rabbitdiesel1 said:

I started a tread about a year ago called Diesel Only, check it out. I wanted to hear from people who were interested in the diesel only. 27 out of the first 33 posts were negative diesel comments from people who weren't even interested in the diesel transit. Guess who posted first, Orton with his list of negative comments, followed by his supporters.

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Maybe you are in the minority? That guy orton just does not understand.

As I said before some people should buy a diesel if it suits their application. I also believe that many that do should not because it does not fit their use. Same comment should be applied to someone who selects a gas engine. Fortunately everyone gets to decide how to spend their money so if a diesel is important in you life then buy it. But it is best to evaluate the costs and savings of each as it applies to your use.

orton said:

Maybe you are in the minority? That guy orton just does not understand.

As I said before some people should buy a diesel if it suits their application. I also believe that many that do should not because it does not fit their use. Same comment should be applied to someone who selects a gas engine. Fortunately everyone gets to decide how to spend their money so if a diesel is important in you life then buy it. But it is best to evaluate the costs and savings of each as it applies to your use.

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Orton, you don't get it. I want to hear from people who own or are interested in owning a transit diesel. Your opinion on weather you should buy a gas or a diesel, I'm not interested in. You made your choice, you bought a gas transit, that's fine. Stop the negative diesel talk and maybe some diesel owners will post.

PeterR said:

Well maybe post a link to that old thread and we will revisit the issue. You may need to thicken your skin a bit . . . . ?

PS rabbit, IMO you are misjudging both orton and "his supporters" -- just because they agree in their criticisms of the diesel at times, does not make them a team of negativity, except perhaps in your mind.

PS2 Lynn, your first post a year ago in March 2014 sure opened the door pretty wide for pro's and con's:

"I don't want to start a war but, how many people are interested in the diesel only? Unlike the Promaster I think Ford plans to sell a lot."

And orton's reply seemed appropriate and measured.

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Peter, a small number of people do most of the posting on this site, like most sites. Most of these people are like minded and control (to a certain extent) the topics on this forum. A smart reply was targeted at me but you don't see it because the remark was made by a person on the site who you like. When I pointed out the smart remark to the poster, he replied with another smart remark. I quit posting on this site for quite a while and thought the smart remarks were done. I made one post yesterday and nothing has changed.

To be fair, the extra expense/complication of modern diesel tech is only part of the reason there aren't more Transit diesel owners on this site. Ford should not have list-priced the diesel option at $6XXX. if they were going to routinely sell it in the $4XXX. range. Maybe they truly believed they'd sell it at that inflated price? They were wrong and first impressions with the auto press and first buyers, especially when compared to the EB darling, have had a big impact IMO.

Back when I had a '78 VW Rabbit diesel (yes, it got 50 mpg hwy!), diesel cost about .45/gal. Now it sells at or above premium around these parts. There would have to be a very compelling reason for me to consider a diesel today.

Hudda said:

To be fair, the extra expense/complication of modern diesel tech is only part of the reason there aren't more Transit diesel owners on this site. Ford should not have list-priced the diesel option at $6XXX. if they were going to routinely sell it in the $4XXX. range. Maybe they truly believed they'd sell it at that inflated price? They were wrong and first impressions with the auto press and first buyers, especially when compared to the EB darling, have had a big impact IMO.

Back when I had a '78 VW Rabbit diesel (yes, it got 50 mpg hwy!), diesel cost about .45/gal. Now it sells at or above premium around these parts. There would have to be a very compelling reason for me to consider a diesel today.

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I don't blame anyone for not buying a diesel, I'm wondering if the transit diesel owners like there diesel engines.

The 'like' for diesels is based on the long held opinion that they are economical, reliable and durable. None of this is true any more. When these opinions were formed, diesel cost 2/3 of gas, diesels got significantly better MPG than gas engines, diesel engines were simple and the cost premium over a gas engine was not extreme. Now on an annual basis, diesel costs more than gas, DI gas engines have closed the MPG gap, diesel engines have extremely complicated and expensive emissions systems with problematic reliability and the cost premium over a gas engine is very high.

I would love to 'like' diesels, but anyone with common sense wouldn't touch one nowadays.

Rabbit looks like you may be in the wrong briar patch!

PeterR said:

Rabbit looks like you may be in the wrong briar patch!

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It's to bad the guys on this site won't allow any diesel discussion. I think the transit diesel would make a neat van.

rabbitdiesel1: I'll provide a full posting next week after I get the rear sway bar installed this Thursday on what I like and dislike about my van. But here's what I think about my diesel at 4,300 miles:

Purchased the diesel to get 8 hours drive time on a full tank, or around 500 miles on trips. I love to drive at night and perfer not to stop for fuel at night.
I love the low end power, I'm not a racer with the van and the diesel loves to pull at lower rpms. Yes, it fits my driving style.
The diesel gets better mpg in city (around 22 mpg) than I thought and highway is a little lower at around 24.

Epps

rabbitdiesel1 said:

It's to bad the guys on this site won't allow any diesel discussion.
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From over here, this looks like a blinder you can adjust . . .

Not one person here is disallowing you from discussing the diesel engine/van as much as you want. Maybe you can't handle differing viewpoints, and arguing with people?

Welcome to the Internet. If anything this forum is relatively civilized, in my personal opinion, compared to others.

I would encourage you to re-vitalize your old thread with a new post which asks for positive comments. Build it and they will come?

Good luck!

PeterR said:

From over here, this looks like a blinder you can adjust . . .

Not one person here is disallowing you from discussing the diesel engine/van as much as you want. Maybe you can't handle differing viewpoints, and arguing with people?
Peter,
Welcome to the Internet. If anything this forum is relatively civilized, in my personal opinion, compared to others.

I would encourage you to re-vitalize your old thread with a new post which asks for positive comments. Build it and they will come?

Good luck!

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Peter, I've asked for positive comments, maybe your blinders got in the way. When a person posts on this site, he shouldn't get hit with smart replies and negative comments over and over again. Some people on this site have been making negative diesel comments for over a year. If a new thread is started about the diesel transit, it will be taken over by the same people who dislike diesels. The diesel people should be allowed to talk, if you dislike diesels and can't handle differing opinions, simply avoid the thread. I don't see people putting down the gas engine. This forum is relatively civilized as long as you agree with the frequent posters. Other forums are the same. I've noticed on the sprinter forum, several people seem to always have the final word. When no moderator controls the comments, then the forum is taken over by just few.

rabbitdiesel1 said:

Peter, I've asked for positive comments, maybe your blinders got in the way. ...

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I'm kinda curious about 2 things.:s
1. What do you think defines and qualifies as acceptably "positive comments"?
2. Why do you think such "positive comments" are more useful than comments discussing trade-offs of various technologies?

Stan

To throw a wrench literally into this discussion, I'm off to do my 30k $130.00 oil change in my Sprinter. (this is me doing it in the driveway)

Ah the joys of owning a Sprinter diesel......continue onward folks..

bobojay said:

To throw a wrench literally into this discussion, I'm off to do my 30k $130.00 oil change in my Sprinter. (this is me doing it in the driveway)

Ah the joys of owning a Sprinter diesel......continue onward folks..

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Bob, since your post was directed at me, I will reply. You are correct, sprinter oil changes are expensive. What I don't understand Bob, this is your 2nd sprinter, why did it take you 6 yrs and 2 sprinters for you to come to that conclusion? The difference between you and me Bob is this, you hate Mercedes sprinters, I like all vans including the ford transit.

rabbitdiesel1 said:

Bob, since your post was directed at me, I will reply. You are correct, sprinter oil changes are expensive. What I don't understand Bob, this is your 2nd sprinter, why did it take you 6 yrs and 2 sprinters for you to come to that conclusion? The difference between you and me Bob is this, you hate Mercedes sprinters, I like all vans including the ford transit.

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Seriously dude. You might want to consider getting professional help. That post was not directed at you. It's not all about you.

unclebob said:

Seriously dude. You might want to consider getting professional help. That post was not directed at you. It's not all about you.

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When someone signs every post with a negative sprinter message, maybe that person also needs help. Maybe we can go together.