I am attempting to order a 2016 U4X 350 Wagon Hi-top extended length diesel Transit. I want rear air and a 2nd row bench seat. You would think I was pulling teeth! Dealer told me I had to order a wagon to get the 2nd row seat... really? I would like to know if the floor of a van and a wagon are stamped the same. or not. For the wagon, the dealer is telling me it is a $4200 upfit to put the seat in. If it's a wagon, why do I need to upfit??? GAAAA! Any advice is appreciated.
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I'm hoping to do the same, but mount the bench seat back quite a bit from the front seats.
One dealer told me he could order the bench seat, based on the VIN from another wagon, but we never discussed price. It's hard to imagine that they'd have different floors for the wagon and van, but maybe.
One dealer told me he could order the bench seat, based on the VIN from another wagon, but we never discussed price. It's hard to imagine that they'd have different floors for the wagon and van, but maybe.
Miron,
My mobility upfitter has advised me that he has seen 3 different floors out of 6 wagons and a 4th with a van.
So it seems they are not all stamped the same.
Best bet, order a wagon with more seats than you need (8-10-12) and remove those you don't want. Decide where you want to put your 2nd row before ordering, because any seats you don't order, will not have floor supports or brackets for that area.
There is an option to order a wagon without any seats, but then you get a floor with no support. Probably what your dealer is referring to, to add suppoorts after the fact.
Semper Fi
My mobility upfitter has advised me that he has seen 3 different floors out of 6 wagons and a 4th with a van.
So it seems they are not all stamped the same.
Best bet, order a wagon with more seats than you need (8-10-12) and remove those you don't want. Decide where you want to put your 2nd row before ordering, because any seats you don't order, will not have floor supports or brackets for that area.
There is an option to order a wagon without any seats, but then you get a floor with no support. Probably what your dealer is referring to, to add suppoorts after the fact.
Semper Fi
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You are referring to what was available in the Econoline van called the Crew Van Package. It was offered with 2 front vinyl seats and a 3 person bench seat behind the seat. Then there was a wire meshed panel that was located behind the bench seat to block off any items that might be stored in the back of the van.
There was a upgrade to this option which had the cloth high back seats and the same 3 passenger seat. With the upgrade package, you got carpet throughout the entire floor of the van. I ordered a Econoline E-250 Extended Crew Van with the upgrade package in 2000. I still have it and am working with some Ford connections to have this same configuration made for the Transit van. My plan is to order a T-250 Medium roof/148" WB with 3.7L engine, dual sliding doors with all around windows, and the Crew Van package with front high backed custom cloth seats and a 3 person matching seat behind the front seats. There would be the same reinforcement for the seat as in the wagon. Projecting this to happen sometime in mid-March to April timeframe as this would take some engineering and safety testing before being offered as one of the platforms for the Transit.
Anyone else have or have owned a Econoline with Crew Van Package? Let me know if you have a interest in this platform for the Transit so I can communicate this to my Ford contacts.
See the Crew Van Package picture from this Ford brochure. Key the link below and see page 7.
www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=Econoline Wagon&year=2011&postalCode=55401
There was a upgrade to this option which had the cloth high back seats and the same 3 passenger seat. With the upgrade package, you got carpet throughout the entire floor of the van. I ordered a Econoline E-250 Extended Crew Van with the upgrade package in 2000. I still have it and am working with some Ford connections to have this same configuration made for the Transit van. My plan is to order a T-250 Medium roof/148" WB with 3.7L engine, dual sliding doors with all around windows, and the Crew Van package with front high backed custom cloth seats and a 3 person matching seat behind the front seats. There would be the same reinforcement for the seat as in the wagon. Projecting this to happen sometime in mid-March to April timeframe as this would take some engineering and safety testing before being offered as one of the platforms for the Transit.
Anyone else have or have owned a Econoline with Crew Van Package? Let me know if you have a interest in this platform for the Transit so I can communicate this to my Ford contacts.
See the Crew Van Package picture from this Ford brochure. Key the link below and see page 7.
www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=Econoline Wagon&year=2011&postalCode=55401
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A proposal has been submitted to Ford about development of the Crew Van Package becoming a option for the 2016 Transit model. It would include the same features as was available on the Econoline.
Will keep the forum updated on what happens with this proposal. If you have any comments or additional items that may be submitted for this optional package, please list them on this thread.
Will keep the forum updated on what happens with this proposal. If you have any comments or additional items that may be submitted for this optional package, please list them on this thread.
As you know I posted a thread early on about this.
http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/dealers-purchases-orders/3161-crew-van-test-drive.html
My guess is that the DOT etc. federal certifications required for a new model of the cargo Van (with one crew bench seat and windows) are something that Ford decided to skip for at least one or two model years. Not sure what the lead time is, but I doubt if all the paperwork and federal governmental approval could be obtained until the 2017 model year Transit, if the design was started now.
Maybe Ford has this possibility further along than they have made public, but CrewVanMan you might focus on this -- do they already have a plan for a Crew Van, Man?
PS -- that other thread was started almost one year ago on 8/16/14. Seems like years ago . . . before open heart surgery this winter . . .
http://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/dealers-purchases-orders/3161-crew-van-test-drive.html
My guess is that the DOT etc. federal certifications required for a new model of the cargo Van (with one crew bench seat and windows) are something that Ford decided to skip for at least one or two model years. Not sure what the lead time is, but I doubt if all the paperwork and federal governmental approval could be obtained until the 2017 model year Transit, if the design was started now.
Maybe Ford has this possibility further along than they have made public, but CrewVanMan you might focus on this -- do they already have a plan for a Crew Van, Man?
PS -- that other thread was started almost one year ago on 8/16/14. Seems like years ago . . . before open heart surgery this winter . . .
CVM,
Was down at my upfitters today for some install stuff. We got to talking about the different flooring configurations, both for the wagon and the van.
The very first Transit he modified for handicapped features, is what he based his next 2 estimates on, and he lost money. He said the first one he thinks was called a Transit "Sport" model. It had 5 or 8 seats in it, but when they removed everything it had the seat brackets all the way back to the rear doors, even though it didn't come with that many seats. So he based his estimates on being able to move seats around towards the back.
Vehicle was bought of the lot, early on, from the largest dealer W of Mississippi and he thinks, now, it may have been some type of pre-production model (maybe like the one they did for American Pickers).
So the whole point of this response is, they did it before why not make all Transits with the same floor? Capable of using the whole interior for seats to be repositioned? He advised and I agree that it puts an unfair burden on owners that need modifications for the seating areas for lifts etc.
Would also be nice if they had an option like Sprinter did, for wiring harnesses etc already run to the rear, so equipment could be hooked up.
Semper Fi
Was down at my upfitters today for some install stuff. We got to talking about the different flooring configurations, both for the wagon and the van.
The very first Transit he modified for handicapped features, is what he based his next 2 estimates on, and he lost money. He said the first one he thinks was called a Transit "Sport" model. It had 5 or 8 seats in it, but when they removed everything it had the seat brackets all the way back to the rear doors, even though it didn't come with that many seats. So he based his estimates on being able to move seats around towards the back.
Vehicle was bought of the lot, early on, from the largest dealer W of Mississippi and he thinks, now, it may have been some type of pre-production model (maybe like the one they did for American Pickers).
So the whole point of this response is, they did it before why not make all Transits with the same floor? Capable of using the whole interior for seats to be repositioned? He advised and I agree that it puts an unfair burden on owners that need modifications for the seating areas for lifts etc.
Would also be nice if they had an option like Sprinter did, for wiring harnesses etc already run to the rear, so equipment could be hooked up.
Semper Fi
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We have visited the issue before and I appreciate your enthusiasm for sure. I am still interested so that safety for the passengers would be greatest with a factory set up,cyet still have room for some degree of customizing the back end.
USMC Vet -- how is the work going at your upfitters? I just noticed mcsar1's post above, and thought you might be able to chime in on his new Transit?
Hope you will be on the road soon! Looking forward to hearing your reports.
Peter
Peter,
Saw his post and sent him a PM. Been e-mailing info back and forth, direct since then. He has contacted my upfitter for help.
Had hoped mine would be done this past week, but, probably another 2 -3 weeks.
Semper Fi
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4x4 crew van Transit would be a huge seller.
Ford is not stupid, they have to know this - it is very popular with the pickups.
The factory is only running two shifts, so resources are not constrained.
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4x4 crew van Transit would be a huge seller.
Ford is not stupid, they have to know this - it is very popular with the pickups.
The factory is only running two shifts, so resources are not constrained.
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Hi:
Today I arrived home to Destin, from Orlando with my new 2015 350HD Wagon XLT Trim, 3.5lGTDI V6 Ecnoboost, 6spd. I will be removing 3rd and 4 row seats. Have no use for them so I figure I will sell them on Ebay??. Not sure if you located the seats you wanted. Rick
Today I arrived home to Destin, from Orlando with my new 2015 350HD Wagon XLT Trim, 3.5lGTDI V6 Ecnoboost, 6spd. I will be removing 3rd and 4 row seats. Have no use for them so I figure I will sell them on Ebay??. Not sure if you located the seats you wanted. Rick
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I'm interested in a Cargo Van with a something similar to a crew setup, except with one additional removable row of seating behind, for a total seating capacity of 8 people.
My goal is flexible seating, so both the 2nd and 3rd row of seats are removable but only 1 set of windows like a traditional crew van.
Most of the time I'll run with no seats behind the drive/passenger but want the option of putting them in. This would simulate the seating I have now in my '04 Expedition.
I don't really want to start with a Wagon if I can help it. I don't really want windows all around, etc. I think I'd rather start with a Cargo van and add aftermarket seats if need be. I can fab whatever might be needed to mount them.
Any news on this front is welcome.
My goal is flexible seating, so both the 2nd and 3rd row of seats are removable but only 1 set of windows like a traditional crew van.
Most of the time I'll run with no seats behind the drive/passenger but want the option of putting them in. This would simulate the seating I have now in my '04 Expedition.
I don't really want to start with a Wagon if I can help it. I don't really want windows all around, etc. I think I'd rather start with a Cargo van and add aftermarket seats if need be. I can fab whatever might be needed to mount them.
Any news on this front is welcome.
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As a noobie to this excellent site, the Transit kool-aid has taken it's effect. I've long given up on a Sprinter for all the right reasons (for me). The crew configuration however, would have been perfect. I'm reviving this thread for updates on:
Cargo add second row bench possibilities
(Passenger deletion of 3rd and last rows in not possible; I don't want all those windows!)
All thoughts appreciated, I'm so ready to begin the process of:
Ordering a high-roof, 2.7L, medium/long length, for Quigley conversion
Marcus
Cargo add second row bench possibilities
(Passenger deletion of 3rd and last rows in not possible; I don't want all those windows!)
All thoughts appreciated, I'm so ready to begin the process of:
Ordering a high-roof, 2.7L, medium/long length, for Quigley conversion
Marcus
I am also a newbie and decided on the transit. Wanted to do Quigley 4x4 later. But as I understand it. Quigley no longer converts used or pre owned transits. You must buy it new with Quigley installed from the dealer..
I just got mine 2 weeks ago and really loving it. I chose a 2017 T350 148”WB EXT Quigley 4X4 with the 3.5l Ecoboost..
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