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Thought I say... I appreciate how hard you're trying to keep your thread on target, @dogmountain.

FWIW, you /may/ have already had your answer a couple times, which seems to be that you'll still have to trim / bend just as much.

But so far, you don't seem to have any takers on ride-quality of B6s without a lift. 馃
 

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Yes, keeping the kit inside and having somewhere warm to get changed and enjoy a fresh brew after a session on the water makes it a whole new experience. All my windsurfing buddies in the UK switched to vans years ago but it took forever for Euro-style vans to make it across the pond.

Interesting comment about kiting. Most of my buddies who switched to kites are now back on windsurfers and we are even seeing some new young ones getting into it - still way fewer than back in its heyday but fantastic to see some young ones getting into it. With kites, I kept waiting for the day when a kite could come past me on a reach or out point me up wind. It never happened, even the best local kiters remained as moving gybe marks and now most are back on boards. :LOL:
Yeah, I love windsurfing and the new rig will make it much easier all around. I guess if we are going to get off topic, this is a good direction. Thanks for your posts -Denver CO
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Just FYI, as a long time off-road enthusiast who still owns a body-on-frame pickup, the term body lift is usually considered to mean lift the body off the frame, typically with spacers. Not relevant to the unibody Transit, where lifts such as VC鈥檚 and I assume the Q-Lift are really suspension lifts, at least in the rear, or in front if new control arms or longer struts are used. If they involve lowering the front subframe, I guess that鈥檚 sort of a body lift, in front. FYI, no clearance issues without trimming with my 245/70-16 tires on a stock AWD. A little less sidewall height than 245/75鈥檚 but less weight, too,
 

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@dogmountain did you end up installing the B6s upfront without a lift?
Not yet, The only quote I have received for adding the B6 Bilsteins to the van is from Tourig in Golden CO and they are asking a little over $2k. Still thinking it over, may just add the larger tires as a first step.
 

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Please do not pay $2k for a strut install.

the total price for my entire vancompass lift install was around $1000 at Vanworks in FC
 

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Please do not pay $2k for a strut install.

the total price for my entire vancompass lift install was around $1000 at Vanworks in FC
Yeah, it sounded a little high. More importantly I was not all that inspired by the company. I asked them to include the Bilstein B6 part numbers on the estimate and they never did...the B6 parts cost for Front Struts and Rear Shocks was about $680. Parts had to be paid in advance of scheduling the work which was 4-6 weeks out. If you paid with a credit card their was a 4% surcharge...not sure if they are having cash flow issues or lots of cancellations but it all seemed too strange for me invest in....maybe I can find another local shop that has more standard business practices.
 

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Yeah, it sounded a little high. More importantly I was not all that inspired by the company. I asked them to include the Bilstein B6 part numbers on the estimate and they never did...the B6 parts cost for Front Struts and Rear Shocks was about $680. Parts had to be paid in advance of scheduling the work which was 4-6 weeks out. If you paid with a credit card their was a 4% surcharge...not sure if they are having cash flow issues or lots of cancellations but it all seemed too strange for me invest in....maybe I can find another local shop that has more standard business practices.
I wouldn't bother with a van up-fitter type business. Way too expensive. I would search out a local mechanic shop.
 

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Has anyone added the Bilstein B6 Struts to the front of their AWD non lifted van? My goal is to level the ride and add a little more wheel well clearance to fit BFG KO2 245/75/R16 tires. This should result in the same amount of ground clearance as a Q-Lifted van without the need for the lift or the higher center gravity ride height. I expect to fold the front pinch welds and do a small amount of trimming of the plastic fenders for better clearance.

I believe the B6 spring perch is 5/8" higher than the OEM strut so in essence it is a 5/8" front lift.

Questions:
-Did you achieve better wheel well clearance for the 245/75/R16s by adding the B6 Struts? Did this result in less trimming?
-How is the ride after the modifications?

I did perform an advanced search to see if this specific information exists in the forum, but could not find anything

Thanks in advance!

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thanks for posting the pics. that is the EXACT van i want to order. beautiful! i may not get it until who-knows-when, but i'm going to order it.
 

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Curious if anyone has experience with front Sumo Springs as a poor-mans version of replacing stock struts with Bilsteins? Expensive for a piece of foam but installation appears quick and free. Adds 1/2" of clearance and supposedly helps reduce roll, improve ride. First hand experience out there?

Front Sump Springs for Tranit
 

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I have yet to see someone do it, but in theory you should be able to do B6 struts up front with the VC lift, using the stock springs instead of VC's 1" longer coils. This gives you a 3/8" lower lift, but keeps the CVs from being maxed out. I wish I had done this, and I might eventually swap out my VC coils for stock coils with the B6s if no one comes out with struts that match the stock strut dimensions in the next year to two
Andy at Van Compass reports that this combination will also over-extend the CVs.
 

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When I talked to them, they said to use the VC coils, but not the spacer if you want to use the bilstein struts up front. Not a perfect solution though because the suspension angles will be a little more off
 

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Curious if anyone has experience with front Sumo Springs as a poor-mans version of replacing stock struts with Bilsteins? Expensive for a piece of foam but installation appears quick and free. Adds 1/2" of clearance and supposedly helps reduce roll, improve ride. First hand experience out there?

Front Sump Springs for Tranit
I installed those on my old struts and transferred them to my B6s when I installed them last month. I noticed a difference, especially with the old struts. The rebound was dampened and slowed down. Also realized a bit of a lift from them as well. Overall, they semm to be a cheap suspension upgrade that I would do again
 
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The main problem with tire clearance for larger tires is at the front and back of the wheel well, not really the top of the wheel well, so a lift doesn't really help much with tire clearance per say. Maybe a tiny bit but not much, trimming the pinch weld is what gives you enough clearance. Even with a lift eh bottom part of the wheel well is close to even across with the center axle.

The "Body lift doesn't give you more ground clearance" comment is silly, sure it doesn't change the lowest points of the van (rear shock brackets, rear pumpkin) but it does raise your ground clearance in critical areas, like the fuel tank, rear bumper, front intercooler, etc. High centering these vans anywhere along their enormous underside, and your approach and departure angles, are the primary concerns off-roading - if anything more of a concern than hitting the rear pumpkin or shock brackets.

That being said, in order to install rear shock relocation brackets, which are ridiculously low stock, you have to install a body lift anyways. So yes, the body lift is essentially the only way to really add extra ground clearance besides tires. And it gives you more extra clearance at the lowest point than larger tires do.

B6 with no lift and 245s should be fine if you modify the pinch weld. There's a small chance it will rub on the inside of the body depending on tires, but that isn't dependent on the lift anyways. If you're going to go through the trouble of paying someone to install new struts, you might as well do the VC lift anyways. It doesn't void the warranty, and its a good product.

I have yet to see someone do it, but in theory you should be able to do B6 struts up front with the VC lift, using the stock springs instead of VC's 1" longer coils. This gives you a 3/8" lower lift, but keeps the CVs from being maxed out. I wish I had done this, and I might eventually swap out my VC coils for stock coils with the B6s if no one comes out with struts that match the stock strut dimensions in the next year to two
VC - The bilstein with an 1" more travel and 5/8" higher perch will droop farther than stock strut, blue coil and camber spacer - Yes, the B6 will droop .25" further than the factory strut with our 3/4" camber spacer.

If you want ~ 1" of front lift and no CV issues use the stock strut and blue coil. The suspension will move to the stock location and no further angle will be put on the CVs. The camber will still be very close to correct.

If you want ~ 1.5" of front lift you can do the B6 and Blue coil. The suspension will droop out 1" more than factory. The CV starts to bind at 1 of additional droop. Camber will be +0.5 degrees or so.

If you want ~ 1.5" of lift you can use the B6, Blue coil and our yet to be released "no lift camber spacer" The suspension will droop out 1" more than factory. The CV starts to bind at 1 of additional droop. BUT many people are willing to do this to get the correct camber and benefits of the B6 strut. This option is still 3-6 months out.

If you want 2" of lift - Use our front Topo 2.0 kit with stock strut. This will let the suspension droop to 3/4" further than factory, CV will not be binding yet.
 
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