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      This was a fun project that seemed like overkill at first but is proving to be pretty useful. It’s a bit of a knockoff of a similar system used by some of the RV manufacturers (Nautilus panel) but optimized for my situation and space constraints. The upper panel is 7”x21” and the lower hose storage is 7”x17”. The panel consists of 1) combination gravity fill + vent fittings, 2) diverter valves for managing water flow direction, 3) button switches for pumps on/off, 4) quick connect fittings for hoses, and 5) mixing valve for hot/cold exterior shower. I have two water tanks (5 gal. dedicated drinking water + 25 gal. utility water), so the size of the upper panel could be reduced by at least 35% if managing only one water supply.




      With the various hoses connected:



      Here's a picture of what the back of the panel looks like before making all the connections. It looks crowded but was not difficult to connect everything.


      Here's a deeper dive for those that are interested:

      Diverter valves
      This is the heart of the project and below is a flow diagram. The first valve is the “FROM” and controls whether water comes from the hose connection or the tank. The second valve is the “TO” and controls whether water goes go the fixtures or the tank. This facilitates multiple scenarios explained below. I also made labels for the panel to make it easy for the end user (used FedEx Office vinyl decal service).
      Tank water. Turn on the pump and it will pump water from the tank to the fixtures.
      City water. Connect hose to city water and directly route to the fixtures (bypass tank) with pressurized water from the city. Good for priming all the fixtures with water to get air out of the lines.
      Fill tank (pressurized). Connect hose to city water and route the water to the tank (no pump needed).
      Sanitize or fill tank from container. Connect hose and insert into container, turn on the pump, and it will draw the water out of container and route to the tank. Use with a chlorine solution for sanitizing either tank, or fill my drinking water tank with Walmart water jugs purchased on the road.
      Winterize. Connect hose and insert into container, turn on pump, and it will draw water out of the container and route directly to the fixtures. Classic use case is if you want to put antifreeze in the system. More common scenario for me is to connect an air compressor to the hose fitting, open all the fixtures, and blow all the water out of the water lines (obviously do not turn on pump in this case). Using this fitting for connecting to compressor.

      Pump switches
      I used SPDT switches both at the galley and the panel so that the pump can be activated from either location. While the switches are rated for 10A, I used relays at the pump and just used low current signaling between the switches and the relays. I connected each set of switches with 3 conductors of 22 AWG; two for the SPDT switching and one for LED lights at each location so you don’t forget to turn off the pump.

      Hose quick-connects
      I used stainless steel quick connects made by Easy Flow Flushing. The are pricey but they are very nice quality and maybe the only one I could find that have a female cap. The male connector is installed on the front of the panel, and I have a female GHT to barb fitting on the other side. When not using the hose, the female cap is then placed on the male connector, which keeps any remaining dribble in the line from spilling into the van. I used the quick connects both for the inlet hose connections to the tank, and the outlet hose connection for the shower.

      Shower mixing valve
      I used the Ambassador Marine Aidack mixing valve since it is very compact and matches the hose caps. Works great. Very nice to have both hot and cold water at the rear of the van, especially since my interior shower is not built yet. :(

      Combination gravity fill + vent
      I was not planning to have a gravity fill since I can pressure fill from the hoses. But you need to be careful when direct connecting a hose (you can explode the tank), which was driving me to have a larger vent hose. So I decided to just combine them and use a single 1-1/4” hose to act as both gravity fill and vent. I custom made a cap using the materials in the picture below. When the cap is on, it acts as a vent with the 3/8” hole in the center of the cap. When I fill the tank, I unscrew the cap which exposes the entire 1-1/4” diameter and makes for a safe pressure fill. I used the same female caps from Easy Flow Flushing, but drilled a 3/8” hole in the center and epoxied them to the custom washer; also epoxied 1-1/4" threads on the other side. I lined the interior of the cap with screen to protect from larger insects. This can be supplemented by stuffing gauze in the cavity of the cap.

      Water tanks
      I purchased my tanks from Class A Customs and the quality is fine for me. Wall thickness is 0.2” which seems to be adequate for my size of tank. Price is great. I made my own spin weld drivers and installed my own fitting as per this post. All the fittings are on the tops of the tanks to minimize chance of leakage. I installed access hatches at the top of the tanks so I could inspect and clean out if necessary. Due to manufacturing the tops and sides of the water tanks are not perfectly flat but instead slightly concave. I purchased a sheet of 1/16" EPDM rubber from McMaster and made gaskets for the exterior of the tank under the hatch. I made a stainless steel ring via SendCutSend.com and installed on the interior of the tank (the gap in the ring allows you to insert in tank). I then attached the hatch with through bolts and lock nuts, which flattened everything out. The metal ring provided a nice solid base so that I did not risk cracking the plastic hatch ring. Also installed KUS tank level sensors on the tops of the tanks and again made stainless rings for through-bolting.


      Have run everything through extensive testing and took it on a weekend trip. Thankfully everything works as planned!
       
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      Hey Neal,

      Some more questions as I continue to dig into this.

      I ordered the valves and it appears that they do not come with the bolts to attach the handles and the valve bodies. Do you happen to remember which bolts you used? I couldn't find information online and the store didn't know either but they said they'll try to include the valve bolts in my order.

      I am trying to figure out your gravity fill/vent solution you came up with and want to make sure I understand what I'm looking at.
      Do you have some 1-1/4" female to barb fitting in the panel that the assembly you made screws into? Can you link to whatever it is? And is the assembly made of 1-1/4" threads and Quick Connect Cap | Easy Flow Designs (which you drilled and added a mesh to) that are epoxied to opposite sides of the oversized washer? Where did the threads come from?

      Which epoxy did you use for this? Aside from my Lonseal floor I have never used epoxy for anything.

      What did you use for the SPDT switch trim circles?

      For the quick connects, it appears that for each port I will need to order:
      1. City Water Inlet (RV’s) | Easy Flow Designs (into which I can screw a 1/2 NPT to PEX adapter)
      2. City Water Inlet Adapter Kit (RV’s/Boats) | Easy Flow Designs (into which I can screw a garden hose sprayer for the shower, and some garden hose to barb adapter for filling from a container)
      3. The Female-quick connect female coupler for connecting to a garden hose (to connect the two above together, did you get the one with stop valve or without)

      Thanks again for your time!
      I looked back in my emails and I had the same question about the fasteners. They replied with the following, which I assume is based on installing in the Nautilus panel:
      • 8x1 PAN PHIL SMS STAINLESS (panel)
      • 8-32X1/2 FLAT PHIL MS STAINLESS (knob)
      I adapted slightly. For the panel screws which thread into the plastic valve body, I ordered these screws from McMaster. Flat head instead of pan, and better suited to plastic. I sort of recall that the knobs ended up coming with some stainless flat head screws, even though they said they wouldn't. I have a spare knob and it is sitting in a bag with a stainless steel flat head 8-32 machine screw which I obviously cut to a length of 11/16" (can't recall why). I don't have any of those type of screws in my McMaster order history, so pretty sure it came with the knob. In the Nautilus panel I think some of the valves have spacers between the panel, which would explain why they would include a longer screw.

      For the various fittings, I used SendCutSend.com to fabricate the trim washers. All were made from .060" 316 stainless steel and had a 2" outside diameter. The inside diameter varied based on the fitting. If you want to do the same, I designed them with Autocad and still have the .dwg files, but I think you can easily do it using their web tool since it is simple shape.

      For the vent caps:
      • I used this aluminum pipe nipple to get the threads for the fitting; I had cut it to around 3/8" length since that's all the room I had with the thickness of the panel.
      • I use this mesh.
      • Custom washer (see above) with 11/16" inside diameter.
      • Epoxied with JB-Weld
      • Used the Quick Connect Cap and drilled a 3/8" hole
      For the SPDT trim circles, I used the 2" OD custom washers mentioned above with a 1" ID. I used this switch.

      For the quick connects, it's easier if you use the City Water Inlet (RV’s) as you specified in your post. For my application, the flange was too large (3"), which is why I ended up making the 2" custom washers, etc. In lieu of using the city water inlet, I installed a City Water Inlet Adapter Kit (RV’s/Boats) (along with custom washer 1" ID) on the front of the panel and one of these fittings on the back of the panel. I had to recess the hole in the rear slightly to make it work. Definitely easier to use the city water inlet, but you have options if you are also space limited.

      In terms of connecting to the quick connects, I think you might be misunderstanding the female quick connect coupler since you said it would join the other two items together. The female quick connect coupler is FGHT on one side and female quick connect on the other; not quick connect on both ends. Here's what I'm using:
      • Pump filling from container: braided hose + 1/2 barb x MGHT fitting + female coupler without stop valve.
      • Pressure filling: garden hose + female coupler with stop valve (don't think stop valve is necessary).
      • Shower sprayer: garden hose + female coupler without stop valve. On other end of hose I had to use MGHT x MGHT adapter to connect my sprayer.
      I saved the squirrely part for last. I mentioned above how the vent caps are made and they go on the front of the panel. On the back of the panel, I used a 1-1/4 plastic barbed fitting. Then I needed to figure out how to connect them. I wasn't concerned about the connection being water tight. For air vent, not an issue. When gravity filling, I will be inserting a hose slightly beyond the connection point, so not an issue there (unless it overflows, in which case water is coming out anyway). So here's what I did. I padded the back of the panel with a small square (2"?) of plywood to give me an overall 1" depth (used wood glue and some brads). I drilled a hole with a hole saw (1-5/8"?). I then used a 1-1/4" tap from HF to make threads in the wood, followed up with a coating of thin cyanoacrylate glue. The CA glue soaks into the wood and just makes the threads harder (obviously don't glue the fittings). I could then screw the 1-1/4" plastic barb fitting in the rear (some of the threads need to be cut since you only have the 1/2" thick padding), and was able screw the vent fitting in the front. I'm sure there's a better solution, but this got the job done. After I finished I thought about using PVC board for my panel, and then you could solvent-weld a 1-1/4 coupler into a hole in the PVC panel. I was fighting space constraints and needed something low profile.

      I hope I am recollecting all of this correctly and I hope it is helpful. Let me know how it goes.

      PS: the washer for the Aidack mixing valve has a 1.3" ID.
       
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      I looked back in my emails and I had the same question about the fasteners. They replied with the following, which I assume is based on installing in the Nautilus panel:
      • 8x1 PAN PHIL SMS STAINLESS (panel)
      • 8-32X1/2 FLAT PHIL MS STAINLESS (knob)
      I adapted slightly. For the panel screws which thread into the plastic valve body, I ordered these screws from McMaster. Flat head instead of pan, and better suited to plastic. I sort of recall that the knobs ended up coming with some stainless flat head screws, even though they said they wouldn't. I have a spare knob and it is sitting in a bag with a stainless steel flat head 8-32 machine screw which I obviously cut to a length of 11/16" (can't recall why). I don't have any of those type of screws in my McMaster order history, so pretty sure it came with the knob. In the Nautilus panel I think some of the valves have spacers between the panel, which would explain why they would include a longer screw.

      For the various fittings, I used SendCutSend.com to fabricate the trim washers. All were made from .060" 316 stainless steel and had a 2" outside diameter. The inside diameter varied based on the fitting. If you want to do the same, I designed them with Autocad and still have the .dwg files, but I think you can easily do it using their web tool since it is simple shape.

      For the vent caps:
      • I used this aluminum pipe nipple to get the threads for the fitting; I had cut it to around 3/8" length since that's all the room I had with the thickness of the panel.
      • I use this mesh.
      • Custom washer (see above) with 11/16" inside diameter.
      • Epoxied with JB-Weld
      • Used the Quick Connect Cap and drilled a 3/8" hole
      For the SPDT trim circles, I used the 2" OD custom washers mentioned above with a 1" ID. I used this switch.

      For the quick connects, it's easier if you use the City Water Inlet (RV’s) as you specified in your post. For my application, the flange was too large (3"), which is why I ended up making the 2" custom washers, etc. In lieu of using the city water inlet, I installed a City Water Inlet Adapter Kit (RV’s/Boats) (along with custom washer 1" ID) on the front of the panel and one of these fittings on the back of the panel. I had to recess the hole in the rear slightly to make it work. Definitely easier to use the city water inlet, but you have options if you are also space limited.

      In terms of connecting to the quick connects, I think you might be misunderstanding the female quick connect coupler since you said it would join the other two items together. The female quick connect coupler is FGHT on one side and female quick connect on the other; not quick connect on both ends. Here's what I'm using:
      • Pump filling from container: braided hose + 1/2 barb x MGHT fitting + female coupler without stop valve.
      • Pressure filling: garden hose + female coupler with stop valve (don't think stop valve is necessary).
      • Shower sprayer: garden hose + female coupler without stop valve. On other end of hose I had to use MGHT x MGHT adapter to connect my sprayer.
      I saved the squirrely part for last. I mentioned above how the vent caps are made and they go on the front of the panel. On the back of the panel, I used a 1-1/4 plastic barbed fitting. Then I needed to figure out how to connect them. I wasn't concerned about the connection being water tight. For air vent, not an issue. When gravity filling, I will be inserting a hose slightly beyond the connection point, so not an issue there (unless it overflows, in which case water is coming out anyway). So here's what I did. I padded the back of the panel with a small square (2"?) of plywood to give me an overall 1" depth (used wood glue and some brads). I drilled a hole with a hole saw (1-5/8"?). I then used a 1-1/4" tap from HF to make threads in the wood, followed up with a coating of thin cyanoacrylate glue. The CA glue soaks into the wood and just makes the threads harder (obviously don't glue the fittings). I could then screw the 1-1/4" plastic barb fitting in the rear (some of the threads need to be cut since you only have the 1/2" thick padding), and was able screw the vent fitting in the front. I'm sure there's a better solution, but this got the job done. After I finished I thought about using PVC board for my panel, and then you could solvent-weld a 1-1/4 coupler into a hole in the PVC panel. I was fighting space constraints and needed something low profile.

      I hope I am recollecting all of this correctly and I hope it is helpful. Let me know how it goes.

      PS: the washer for the Aidack mixing valve has a 1.3" ID.
      Thanks for your detailed post here. Today I was using hole saws to drill thru a sheet of 1/8 thick Aluminum to mount my diverter valves on and I came back and refound this as I wondered about the screws to attach the diverter valves.
       
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