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Any guess on how the new 2020 3.5L PFDI V6...

...mated to the 10 speed transition will perform versus the 2019 and older models (both the 3.7 and the 3.5 EcoBoost)?

Me and my family just test-drove 130" low roof passenger transit with EcoBoost and loved it (dare I say, fun?), but we're intrigued by AWD in the 2020 models. Its my understanding that the 130" low roof vans will NOT get the EcoBoost option for 2020. We're on the fence about whether to pull the trigger on a discounted 2019 w/ EcoBoost or wait for 2020 with AWD. If the new 3.5 + 10-speed transmission is snappy in city driving, we may just wait. Its just a guess, but I'm sure we're not alone. This is for Michigan driving.
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I just posted a link to the 2020 order guide.
The new 3.5 has about the same horsepower and torque as the 3.7l. The 10 speed will give it more mileage. The 3.5l ecoboost however is not an option with the AWD.
I have the 3.7l and it has plenty of get up and go though.

Just looked at the order guide and I think that you are correct. No ecoboost for the 130" passenger low roof regardless of AWD or not

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I chose to go with the 2019 for several reasons. One of them being that I didn't like having a more complex 10 speed that was still "new" in the world of transmissions. Yes its been developing for a while and its been installed F150s etc. But its still not as proven as the 6 speed. I also didn't want to feel a shift up or down so frequently. I know over the course of time 6 speed will fade away. But for now the 10 speed in my eyes still needs some fine tuning. As mentioned earlier, if the 3.5 PFDI and 3.7L have the same HP and torque I would go with the 3.7L as its less complex (albeit small difference) than the new 3.5 PFDI. Other reasons I went with 2019 was for the incentives and I didn't feel like waiting an additional 4 months or so to get a 2020 ordered. Not the mention the price increase of roughly 5% and who knows how much more will be added once the new union agreements set in.

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Wait, and get the 146 with at least a medium roof.
Unless you have to go to congested stinking grimy cities, you will be happier with the bigger model.
Price not that different.
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Thanks everyone! Sounds like the new 3.5 will must be a more efficient version of the 3.7. But definitely not near as snappy as the ecoboost.

For my situation, no chance I get the 148. We live in small city USA and this is a daily family vehicle that will get used for 5-7 road trips a year and needs to fit in the garage. My wife LOVED the ecoboost in the test drive. She said it made if feel snappy around town and gave her more confidence on the highway for ramp entry and passing situations. But as mentioned, we’re in MI and will be replacing an old Expedition that dropped a cylinder. Not having 4wd is the only question-mark. This is new territory for us.
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I chose to go with the 2019 for several reasons. One of them being that I didn't like having a more complex 10 speed that was still "new" in the world of transmissions. Yes its been developing for a while and its been installed F150s etc. But its still not as proven as the 6 speed. I also didn't want to feel a shift up or down so frequently. I know over the course of time 6 speed will fade away. But for now the 10 speed in my eyes still needs some fine tuning. As mentioned earlier, if the 3.5 PFDI and 3.7L have the same HP and torque I would go with the 3.7L as its less complex (albeit small difference) than the new 3.5 PFDI. Other reasons I went with 2019 was for the incentives and I didn't feel like waiting an additional 4 months or so to get a 2020 ordered. Not the mention the price increase of roughly 5% and who knows how much more will be added once the new union agreements set in.

Hope that helps.
I'm not worried about the transmission but I hate the high pressure fuel pumps of direct injection engines for both expense and the probability of failure. Times ten for the tubos.
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Thanks everyone! Sounds like the new 3.5 will must be a more efficient version of the 3.7. But definitely not near as snappy as the ecoboost.
For my situation, no chance I get the 148. We live in small city USA and this is a daily family vehicle that will get used for 5-7 road trips a year and needs to fit in the garage. My wife LOVED the ecoboost in the test drive. She said it made if feel snappy around town and gave her more confidence on the highway for ramp entry and passing situations. But as mentioned, we’re in MI and will be replacing an old Expedition that dropped a cylinder. Not having 4wd is the only question-mark. This is new territory for us.
Then it sounds like for you it comes down to this decision:
A: get the ecoboost wagon now at a good price, but not have AWD
B: wait many months for a 2020 that has AWD but compromises the engine you like and will cost more $

Either way, you'll be thrilled with the Transit!

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EcoBoost costs more, so not getting it helps pay for AWD or 2020 price increase.

The 3.5 PFDI should be a simpler engine, and more fuel efficient in normal use due to lower power, so Id expect additional savings there too.

I would still like to see details on 3.5 PDFI but like what Ive seen so far. I always wondered why Ford wouldnt just build an EcoBoost minus the Turbos, and now they essentially have. Obviously it should have higher compression ratio which is good for fuel economy. I just hope Ford builds it as tough as EB so it can operate at high torque indefinitely if needed.
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Are you looking for a LR 130" WB 8 passenger or 10 passenger van? Best to let me locate a 2019 if you know the options you want on it.

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100% agree on this point as well.

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I'm not worried about the transmission but I hate the high pressure fuel pumps of direct injection engines for both expense and the probability of failure. Times ten for the tubos.
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