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Bears are large apex predators.
I haven't listened to bear metal since high school.
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OP probably meant hare medal.
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I haven't listened to bear metal since high school.
I thought you were making things up. Bear metal... of course...http://www.radioline.co/listen-to-be...playlist-radio

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I am finding that every small bear metal left uninsulated is a heat leak.

Putting thinsulate into bear metal tubes on the side of the back door reduce air flow inside that tube but does not insulate the bear metal from the inside of the van.
Your findings are spot on. Except for the bears, maybe. Though some have used sheep's wool.

Filling the small cavities with insulation is a fool's errand. It does nothing to stop thermal migration via the metal surrounding the cavity.

https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/...ation-why.html

Placing a less thermally conductive barrier between the metal and the living space will slow the heat sink effect metal provides.
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I've found that neoprene foam works great as a thermal insulator for the metal. Even just 1/8" makes a huge difference. I'm applying it to my van currently while its in the 20's here. The exposed metal inside is near the outside temp, but the foam feels warm to the touch with no condensation. Neoprene won't absorb water and cause mold problems if you do get condensation nearby.

It stretches and conforms to the metal great, and is relatively easy to work with. I plan to cover the foam with stretchy carpet and textiles to pretty things up. You can look at my recent posts in my build thread for more info.


I paid about $40 for two 4'x8' 1/8" sheets shipped. 3M super 77 is working well for an adhesive and it doesn't stink.

Thanks. That is what i was looking for. I meant bare metal ( exposed) sorry that English is my native language.

For small area ( the side of rear door) I will need small patches and not sure spray adhisive might work for me as the van already build.

Is 3M 77 the less toxic option or are there better adhisive.

Btw, the noico (and siless foam) are both for noise but also for heat and do a good job based on that customer reviews in amazon website.

I am mainly looking to find the least toxic way to shield the small exposed metal parts near the back door and the large side door.

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I meant bare metal ( exposed) sorry that English is my native language.

Btw, the noico (and siless foam) are both for noise but also for heat and do a good job baded on that customer reviews in amazon website.

I am mainly looking to find the least toxic way to shield the small exposed metal parts near the back door and the large side door.
I had a suspicion English was not your first language with your grammar and your screen name (or real name). I still gave you a bit of a hard time about 'bear'. I apologize for that.

When I hear Noico, I usually think of their constrained layer damping (CLD) product which is for noise insulation, not thermal insulation. They sell another product that is a closed cell polyethylene foam for thermal insulation. You will get a similar effect using Neoprene or Minicell or any closed cell foam as mentioned.

The Noico foam product has an adhesive backing making it more convenient and you avoid the 3M adhesive's solvent carrier. Or you could just wait a bit for the 3M carrier to dissipate.

I still don't know what 'siless' foam is. If it's a closed cell foam, it will be similar to all the foams mentioned.

Summary: Use the Noico foam. Or use Neoprene, Minicell, or a closed cell foam and the 3M adhesive and wait a day or two. Any of those will do the job.

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Summary: Use the Noico foam. Or use Neoprene, Minicell, or a closed cell foam and the 3M adhesive and wait a day or two. Any of those will do the job.
Thanks. This is what I am looking for.

The siless product range is similar to noico. See screen capture.

In the mean time this is how I solved the problem ( we camped below 20s few nights ago)
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The siless product range is similar to noico.
Minicel and Neoprene are cheaper but if you're only using 7.5 sq ft, it's probably a wash when you add in the cost of the 3M 77.

Personally, I would buy the Neoprene or Minicel and use 3M 77 like @Inkog . But I don't think you'll go wrong with the Siless.

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