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Ford Say's "No Way" to Transit 4x4

When I talked to John at QuadVan, he said that he had three top Ford execs sitting in his shop and tell him that there was "No way that Ford was doing a 4x4 Van, simply because they don't want to undermine F-150 sales." The F-150 is a money machine for them so it makes sense. As always, mind the source and the setting, and the market could always change over time. The happy up-fitter argument is a good one as well.
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You can be sure Ford will be monitoring Sprinter 4x4 sales very closely.

You can bet if it makes a strong business case, Ford will introduce this option.

If it remains in small volumes, no doubt they will leave it to the 3rd party guys to continue.

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Ford would throw up-fitters under the bus if it meant making greater profits. There is no inherent loyalty.

Big business is about making money, not making people happy. In my opinion happiness only counts as it affects making money longer term.
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The Ride and Turning Radius

It could be just the video angle or whatever, but my wife pointed out that it looked like the van is taking the on-pavement curve at the end of the video awfully wide. Others have said that larger tires on a stock Transit come pretty close to rubbing in a turn. I hope Quigley solves that and the tire chain clearance issue as well.

What I am really waiting for now is to see how much a 4x4 conversion affects the on pavement ride and turning radius, since most of my time would be on-road anyway. There has been a lot of comments in the blogs about how good the factory Transit handles. That had better be maintained (or better) after a 4x4 conversion!
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When I talked to John at QuadVan, he said that he had three top Ford execs sitting in his shop and tell him that there was "No way that Ford was doing a 4x4 Van, simply because they don't want to undermine F-150 sales." The F-150 is a money machine for them so it makes sense. As always, mind the source and the setting, and the market could always change over time. The happy up-fitter argument is a good one as well.
While I don't disagree with your statement and I'm a true blue Ford guy. This whole thing about hearing Ford doesn't want to undermine F150 sales pisses me off. That is the same story when they 86'd the Ranger. I mean F150's are good trucks but they aren't perfect for everyone. Sell what the market wants to buy, why is that so hard...

It is frustrating when a guy has to go out and "upfit" a transit for about $12000 or more to get 4x4. Yet I'm dumb enough to want to do it.

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Ford would throw up-fitters under the bus if it meant making greater profits. There is no inherent loyalty.

Big business is about making money, not making people happy. In my opinion happiness only counts as it affects making money longer term.
They won't do that unless they want to completely destroy their van and fleet sales.

When it comes to vans, making them happy IS their big business, at least as far as Ford and GM are concerned.

Also, I should have said "the market for vans, cab/chassis and cutaways depends heavily on upfitters and coachbuilders (RV's, walk-in vans, and buses)"

For example, without upfitters to build box bodies for box trucks or coachbuilders to build buses, a cab/chassis and cutaway model becomes useless.

Look at how even the E-Series cutaway destroyed the Express and Savana (both van and cutaway models) combined in March:

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/04...-2015-ytd.html

And even in April, the E-Series is still up there.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/05...-2015-ytd.html

And definitely selling better than the Sprinter and Promaster.

The big question would end up being if hurting the business of upfitters and coachbuilders is worth the investment financial risk to do so.
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The big question would end up being if hurting the business of upfitters and coachbuilders is worth the investment financial risk to do so.
I did a poor job making my point. I don't believe that up-fitters are like a union where they would all stop doing business with Ford just because Ford pissed off one or two of them. I think it's more like every man for themselves -- meaning every upfitter looking after their own interest.

If Ford imports or makes 4X4 Transits, who exactly gets hurt? Not the customer -- we'd get greater value due to volume. Likely much less expensive 4X4 vans with more polished engineering. Quigley would definitely get hurt, but would any other non-4X4 upfitter?

If 4X4 or AWD Transits were far more affordable, wouldn't it help most outfitters? Would it not create new demand for their products?

I'm just saying that up-fitters don't stand as one, and the loss by Quigley or QV would not send ripples through up-fitter businesses. I think their businesses are too segmented/segregated for that.

I just don't see why an ambulance or RV converter, as an example, would prefer a Quigley van versus a lower-cost Ford chassis with 4X4 capability.
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Car companies have a "fleet average" fuel efficiency they have to maintain under federal laws. 4WD is less efficient, check the mileage numbers for the F150. Larger tires and transmission lifts are less efficient for aerodynamics. By using aftermarket companies like Quigley, Ford does not get lowered MPG counted against their account for the purposes of federal law. I find it encouraging that Ford invited Quigley into their booth in all the recent shows, this is Ford's answer for the small percentage of the market that wants 4WD and higher clearance for off road.
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Latest Specs From Quigley

The Quigley 4x4 Transit is a manual shift, 2-speed, independent front suspension system. Whether the component is standard to the Transit or a standard Ford component from their F-Series model line; Quigley engineers, designs and manufactures our system with as many Ford OE components as possible.

Quigley system carries a 5yr / 60,000 mile powertrain warranty.
Quigley incorporates a vast majority of Ford components into the full size Transit model line; including the Ford independent front suspension, front axle, locking hubs and Magna / New Venture transfer case, into our conversion for ease of service. All of these components are purchased new, direct from Ford or the Ford manufacturer.

The various mounting brackets, adapters and other components are Quigley engineered and designed in accordance with the SAE specifications. We use a number of Quigley approved vendors to manufacturer many of these components not built in house.

F-SERIES COMPONENTS USED:
1. Front Independent Axle
2. Front Hub Locks
3. Steering
4. Magna / New Venture Transfer Case (2-speed, 4 High and Low
Ranges)
TRANSIT RETAINED COMPONENTS / SYSTEMS:
1. OEM Front Suspension
2. OEM Brake System
3. OEM Wheels & Tires
4. Four Wheel Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS)
5. Advance Trac with Roll Stability Control (RSC) System 6. Traction Control
7. Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
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First Release Date July 1st 2015

My contact at Quigley says that they will officially start sales on July 1st 2015. They have the 3.7 and 3.5 ready to go. They are still working on the diesel.
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