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black plastic cover under roof?

Along the driver side and rear of my T150, 130 WB, medium roof, Transit, there is a run of black plastic 'cover' at the top of the sidewall and above the rear doors.

I'm not sure what this is? At first I thought it might be covering up wiring, but there is plenty of other wiring in the cargo area that ins't under this cover.

Anyone know why it's there?

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I have it as well but on both sides and back. It does hide wiring in the corner sections.

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Is this in part where the Wagon's large side airbag would go?

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Wireway. Interesting that the medium roof and high roof use the same location along the wall but different length vertical sections at the rear doors to get over the taller doors. I will change the location on my high roof by adding a vertical leg just behind the driver's seat and remove the vertical leg at the rear doors. Same wire length just change where it goes up higher from back to front. Need to move it so it is hidden behind cabinets. It also would be in the way of my fold down "half Murphy" bed platforms. Will have four 27" wide panels that hinge at wall and pivot down to make the bed platform.
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How will you attach your panels to the walls? Will they bolt into the threaded attachment points, or are you installing something for them to attach to?
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How will you attach your panels to the walls? Will they bolt into the threaded attachment points, or are you installing something for them to attach to?
I will use the existing threaded holes at the 21" elevation to bolt the seat backs to the wall. The seat itself will bolt to the seat back.

For the wall covering I will use 1/8" aluminum pop rivits. The advantage of the pop rivits is you can drill the hole for the rivit through the wall covering and the Transit steel at the same time so hole automatically lines up. Just need to identify the general area in the Transit steel where you can drill. Almost all of the van walls will be hidden behind cabinets or the bed platform. The walls in the Sprinter were covered with 1/4" plywood. That was heavier and thicker than necessary. Transit will use Macrolite extruded twin wall polycarbonate panels with same pop rivit attachment.
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I like the specs on this material, easy to work like plywood, but lighter and better insulating ( R 1.79 vs. R0.31 for 1/4 ply wood)

Orton, would you wrap this in a fabric for a conventional looking interior ?

It appears similar in construction to the load protection package material Ford offers, but clear not black.

Does anyone know if the Ford Load Protection panel option is made from Polycarbonate, Polypropylene, PET, or HDPE Twinwall Plastic


I found specs under the trade name
Macrolux® TWIN WALL SERIES .

My favorite distributor is Tap Plastics


reference for
Plywod R values
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Wireway. Interesting that the medium roof and high roof use the same location along the wall but different length vertical sections at the rear doors to get over the taller doors. I will change the location on my high roof by adding a vertical leg just behind the driver's seat and remove the vertical leg at the rear doors. Same wire length just change where it goes up higher from back to front. Need to move it so it is hidden behind cabinets. It also would be in the way of my fold down "half Murphy" bed platforms. Will have four 27" wide panels that hinge at wall and pivot down to make the bed platform.
orton I am curious to know, as a former DIY van owner, whether moving wires in the Transit might run afoul of Ford's admonition not to hang new wires next to existing "wire looms, for the reason that these are tuned to deliver sensitive signals from the anti-sway, tow assist and other sensors and would be subject to interference (false signals) from DIY wires added by modifiers."

Are you confidant about which wires you can move, and which ones might "deliver sensitive signals?" Seems as if there might be some potential pitfalls and short circuits here . . .


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Did not know this either. I did discard the wire loom covers in the Sprinter and added a Panduit wireway to hold both my cables and the original loom. Did not have any problem doing that in the Sprinter. Maybe I will use two Panduit wireways in the Transit.
I have to move the OEM loom on left side of van up to remove it from the area where Murphy bed platforms go against the wall. The medium roof and high roof have the OEM loom in the same location on the wall. The high roof just has a taller vertical section at the rear doors. I will go up vertical just behind the driver's seat and run wires higher on the wall back to rear doors. Same wire length, just change the location of the vertical leg.
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I must say our discussion has required me to take a closer look at this doc, and i did find one interesting new learning / caution.

This doc cautions, don't hang new wires on existing wire looms, for the reason that these are tuned to deliver sensitive signals from the anti-sway, tow assist and other sensors and would be subject to interference (false signals) from DIY wires added by modifiers.

This may be old hat to pros, but was news to me.

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For the wall covering I will use 1/8" aluminum pop rivits.
I know aluminum pop rivets are easier to snap, but wouldn't steel pop rivets be a better choice for fastening into your ferrous Ford?
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PeterR: If I do not change the length of the wires in the loom on the left wall, I do not think the Ford will know I moved them. I will be relocating the 4 LED ceiling lights. Hopefully without changing wire lengths. I will put all 4 on the centerline of the van ceiling.
Need to determine if there are any sensitive wires in that particular wireway. There may be because there is a odd "thing" mounted low in the wall at the right rear of the van that may be part of the anti-sway system. Will try to identify what is in that wire bundle.
I also suspect that low power wiring may not affect the Ford controls. I am not an electrical expert so may be wrong. Maybe I will run a second wireway below the relocated Transit wireway. I used 1 1/2" square Panduit control panel wireway with a snap on cover in the Sprinter conversion.

The link below shows the wireway in the Sprinter. It is up high on the wall. Easy to access behind cabinets the full length of the van to pop the cover off.

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