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Transit AC Power Inverter Information?

I'm wondering if anyone out here in Transitland has the optional (90C) factory installed power inverter in their van...and knows some of the specs on that inverter. I can't find hardly any information on this inverter that I am thinking of adding to my Transit factory order. There is nothing in the BEMM manual about the inverter. The owners manual (that I have seen the PDF online) only says that it is a 150 watt AC one plug inverter...very small capacity...and that it does not support any sensitive AC electrical components....which tells me that it is not a True Sine Wave inverter. My local fleet dealer manager told me when I ask him about the inverter's capacities, that he contacted the people at Ford who are knowledgeable about the inverters, and they told him that the Transit cargo vans are equipped with the optional (90C) inverter, is a 400 watt inverter...and that it is a true sine wave inverter. I just can't seem to find anything that backs up that information. Also, from what I can see, you are not able to have certain seats with that inverter installed at the drivers seat pedestal....including the 10-way power leather seats that I want in my van.

I sure would appreciate any information anyone who has one of these factory installed inverters has about it's capabilities, and seat restrictions.
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I'm wondering if anyone out here in Transitland has the optional (90C) factory installed power inverter in their van...and knows some of the specs on that inverter. I can't find hardly any information on this inverter that I am thinking of adding to my Transit factory order. There is nothing in the BEMM manual about the inverter. The owners manual (that I have seen the PDF online) only says that it is a 150 watt AC one plug inverter...very small capacity...and that it does not support any sensitive AC electrical components....which tells me that it is not a True Sine Wave inverter. My local fleet dealer manager told me when I ask him about the inverter's capacities, that he contacted the people at Ford who are knowledgeable about the inverters, and they told him that the Transit cargo vans are equipped with the optional (90C) inverter, is a 400 watt inverter...and that it is a true sine wave inverter. I just can't seem to find anything that backs up that information. Also, from what I can see, you are not able to have certain seats with that inverter installed at the drivers seat pedestal....including the 10-way power leather seats that I want in my van.

I sure would appreciate any information anyone who has one of these factory installed inverters has about it's capabilities, and seat restrictions.
Page 102 of the owners manual states 150 watts.

Also statement: "not suitable for appliances requiring an extremely stable power supply" I would be 90% sure that it is not a pure sine wave inverter.

I did not order the Ford inverter but will use the three 60 amp terminals on the side of the driver's seat to power a 1000 watt pure sine inverter.

2015 high roof 148" WB 3.5 Ecoboost 3.31 LS rear cargo.
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HarleyHauler you might be interested in orton's electrical system post, and his DIY thread:

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Plus Airedrifter's thread:

The electrical guts of the House system

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it might be a good idea to call up Ford to see what they have to say and even to what more information they can direct you to, worth the try, any information in a situation like this will be helpful.
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It is 150 watts, and modified sine wave. You can get it with the 10 way electric leather seats. I have the invertor as well as the seats. It only is active with engine running, I have my trickle chargers for my house AGMs plugged into it, works great.

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I have the factory installed inverter in my Transit 350 12-passenger wagon. "150 watt AC one plug inverter...very small capacity...and that it does not support any sensitive AC electrical components" is correct according to the manual. I have powered driver's seat on cloth.
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Thanks for the replies...I looked at the links PeterR posted with Orton's electrical work...it's a little too complicated of electrical work for me to get into...and I don't need anything that complex, as I am only wanting to keep a Deltron battery tender jr. plugged into my bike when I am traveling with it. It only draws about 20 watts of AC power. I don't need a very big inverter, but I don't want a cigar lighter power point inverter. And Longboard, I don't know what kind of trikle chargers you are using, but the head tech at Deltron told me that their battery tenders will only run properly on a pure sine wave inverter. I like Orton's idea of running an inverter off of one of the 60 amp fused customer power points on the back of the driver's seat. Orton, I know you said that you would run a 1000w inverter off of those...but it looks like most of the 1000w pure sine inverters I looked at require at least a 100 amp fuse...but I'm not as electrically knowledgeable as you are about that kind of upfitting work. I'm thinking a 400-600 watt inverter would be more than ample to run my battery tender, and maybe a small fan if I want. I'm just not sure if I can wire right to those power points, or if I have to have a direct to battery connection....as I said, I'm not an electrician...I just want to make sure that I do whatever I do safe and proper, and not hurt the batter(y/ies) or vehicle.

BTW...if I get the twin batteries...is that considered a 24 volt system?? They are hooked up in series right?...and I think they are both deep cycle AGM batts.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

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My trickle chargers are a Deltron Battery Tender Jr. and a Deltron regular. So far so good with the modified sine wave. I think the Guy at Deltron wants to cover his a$$, and "theory" backs up his claim. So, what's gonna happen, I'm going to fry my AGM's? Stay tuned I guess.

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HarleyHauler, I have similar electrical knowledge and interests here, so will wait for others to reply on most details. However, I am fairly certain that the Transit's optional OEM factory-installed dual batteries are in parallel, thus just a beefier 12 volt system, not 24 volt.

Aside from the factory-installed inverter questions, the BEMM covers various 12 volt options starting at p. 73, and also at p. 123, here:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas..._BEMM_v1-0.pdf

On p. 76, the possibility of a new Converter Fit Third Battery "E" is discussed.

Again, FWIW.


PS -- Here is the Deltran lineup:

http://www.batterytender.com/Automotive/

Deltran has a good Technical and FAQ section on batteries, charging and so forth:

http://www.batterytender.com/Technical-Info/

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Harley, I ordered this option on my van which should be here next week. My option sheet shows 10Way power seats (non leather), so I don't see why they couldn't offer leather 10way power seats with the inverter.

It sucks to me that its only 150w, when on the F150 pick up (which I think your manager guy got confused about), its more like 400w. I don't get it. I ordered the dual batteries, the HD alternator, not sure why they couldn't beef up the wattage.

My goal is to use it for Dewalt battery chargers when I am on the jobsite and there is no power available. saves me from lugging the generator around.

I know for whatever reason, you don't want to use the cigar lighter, Im presuming because its an ugly wire popping out of the dash? But they DO have a option where there is a second cigar lighter wired into the rear of the van which may be ideal for you? I contemplated this option, skipped it, but wish I got it anyway for the potential versatility. You can never have too many powerpoints!
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