As much as I love Ford I just bought another Sprinter - Ford Transit USA Forum
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As much as I love Ford I just bought another Sprinter

I have been a Ford guy for the last 12 years driving a Mustang and an F-250.
I grew up in a home where my Dad always drove Chevy, Oldsmobile, Cadillac and later in life Mercedes.
My business partner started with a Durango then moved on to a couple of Ram 2500's and now a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT.
All the Dodge products we have purchased in the last 13 years have had all types of electrical gremlins to say the least while my Ford F-250's get tires, brakes, routine maintenance and nothing else.

In December 2013 we needed a new service vehicle ASAP after a Chevy Astro that was bought a year earlier for next to nothing as temporary transportation for a new employee lost the transmission.

We lease our vehicles and at that time Dodge was not leasing vehicles since they were bailed out by the government back in 2008.
Since fuel prices in Canada are over $4.00/gallon I wanted him to go look at the Sprinter
Members of The Corporation of Master Pipe-Mechanics of Québec gets a $5,000 rebate.
We ended up leasing a 2014 Short roof 144"wb 4cylinder/7sp with 3 year scheduled maintenance and 5 year extended warranty along with a few options for $560/month. It has been trouble free since we got it in November 2013.

We have been talking about getting rid of our last Dodge Ram for the last few months and last week I went to look at both the Ford Transit and the Sprinter. I refused to look at another Dodge.

I looked at the Long wheelbase, medium roof Transit which was the closest to our current Sprinter.
Optioned with $1880 in options my monthly payment out the door on a 6 year lease excluding taxes was $667.33 including the Ford Employee Pricing rebate of $5574.

I then went to see the Sprinter and was quoted for the following truck 144"wb, short roof (higher cargo area than the medium roof Transit 66.5" vs 64.9").
VPP-Convenience Package
VUP-Cargo Access Package
CF4-Suspension with H.D. Frt and Rr Stabilizer Bars
D13-Mounting Rails for Roof Rack
D50-Full Partition
F68-Heated and Power Adjustable Side Mirrors
H12-Heater Auxiliary Front 5kW w/Timer
V35-Wheelhouse Covers
VA3-Interior Trim, Washable, Full Height
SPE-Special Paint
AS-Rear Camera
PPM-Prepaid Maintenance 3 year, 3 services.
Total Options $7,903
My monthly payment out the door on a 5 year lease, excluding taxes is $590.10.
We spent the day yesterday emptying out my F-250 which I gave to my youngest technician so we can get rid of his Ram.
I guess you can figure out which van is coming home with me tomorrow.

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I would encourage you to keep us posted on your sprinter. I am interested in all things van, and don't count any particular model out. I dislike hearing people criticise another man's personal choices.

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For the price, on a LEASE, with the service package, WITH a local service center, NOT traveling broadly... it seems to make sense. I guess your only real risk would be down-time, if/when problems occur.

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I would encourage you to keep us posted on your sprinter. I am interested in all things van, and don't count any particular model out. I dislike hearing people criticise another man's personal choices.

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I will keep you up to date on any issues that may arise.
I am a small business owner and I too like to keep my options open.
A friend of mine is a Ford trained technician with 25 years experience. He has been at that dealership from the day it opened.
Their dealership made truck service a priority with the addition of a night shift over 10 years ago.

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For the price, on a LEASE, with the service package, WITH a local service center, NOT traveling broadly... it seems to make sense. I guess your only real risk would be down-time, if/when problems occur.
The service package is not with a local service center but with Mercedes-Benz Canada so it can be serviced nation wide.
http://m.mercedes-benz.ca/content/ca...intenance.html
A lease is the only smart way to go when you are a small business.
Sprinter leases have no mileage restrictions and the residual is around $18,000.
A couple of my friends who have been leasing Sprinters longer than I have pretty much bring them in after 4 years and walk out with another one for the same monthly payment.
The leasing costs are 100% tax deductible and are not a liability on your balance sheet, which can not be said for a purchase loan.
As for service there are 7 dealers within 20 miles of me including 2 dedicated to Sprinter service.
There are some horror stories with the older V6/5 speed models being in the shop quite a bit but the I4/7 speed don't seem to have the same issues.
There are a few Ford Transit owners who seem to have horror stories as well.
I plan on putting less than 100,000 miles on it in the next 5 years.

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I've run all the numbers on cost of ownership for the Transit, sprinter and Promaster. The initial cost is now about the same for all of them if similarly equipped! In fact, the Transit might be the most expensive when equipped with diesel engine to match the diesel of the Sprinter (stock, no gas engine offered).

The long term costs have yet to be determined because of the newness of the USA version models. The Sprinter I4 engine appears to be reliable, much more so than the previous V6 diesels. However, there have been issues with the diesel particulate filter and associated equipment (probably corrected by now). There have been a lot of random initial glitches with new Transits of all drivetrains, easily repaired under warranty. Nothing signifying a bad equipment design, but things here and there from sensors to wiring to suspension; more like the old United Auto Workers "made on Monday of Friday" issues (either assembled when hung over, or assembled anticipating drinking all weekend lol!). Same for Promasters.

As a USED vehicle, the Transit is currently the best buy. Mainly because there are so many of them being traded in or as lease returns from commercial rental companies. Not as many Promasters or Sprinters as fleet vehicles. Used Sprinters seem to mostly be privately owned.

One major feature of the Transit is that there are hundreds (thousands?) of Ford dealerships that can take care of the little glitches under warranty. Sprinters, not so much. And because of the sheer volume of Transits currently, and the many more to come, aftermarket parts and upgrades are plentiful and inexpensive. And gasoline engines are now seemingly more cost effective than diesels, or at least equal, because emissions equipment on diesels reduces their MPG ability and the initial cost is much higher ($6000-8000 for Promaster and Transit). The diesel engine may produce more miles/hours before any major internal repairs are needed, though. There is a break-even point at which the diesel pays for itself, and that is now upwards of 200,000 miles and often more. ANY new vehicle should last at least 250k miles without any major problems if maintained correctly.
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Additional differences between Sprinter and Transit:

1. Transit handles much better than a Sprinter.

2. Access from driver seat to/from cargo area is much better in the Sprinter.

3. Gas engine might only last half as long as a diesel but would cost half as much to replace so that is a push.

4. Gas engine Transit goes faster.

5. Sprinter has a 170" WB option that Transit does not have.

6. Sprinter has crew cab option that Transit does not have.

7. V6 engine Sprinters have the old 5 speed NAG1 automatic that does not know how to downshift. New 4 cylinder Sprinters have a 7 speed that others have praised. Transit 6 speed is a much better transmission than the Sprinter 5 speed.

I bought a new 2008 Sprinter and drove it for 56,000 miles. Sold it for a Transit and would never return to a Sprinter.

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I'm disappointed that neither Transit or Promaster can undercut Sprinter on price significantly. A Transit with EB, glass, interior and all the options I want is mid 40's. A Promaster is 10K cheaper but I have to add my own glass and interior. Don't want to stick north of $40K into a sloppy built Transit or Promaster when I could buy a Benz for that. I'd love a Sprinter Crew, but I can't afford the diesel repair risk. Leasing would be a good way to limit unexpected costs, but the rates on all these vans are absurd for a low mileage driver.
Thanks to Ford and Ram's lackluster offerings, I gave up the idea of a new van and bought a 22 year old E150 with a hacked up floor for my handicap access needs.
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I'm disappointed that neither Transit or Promaster can undercut Sprinter on price significantly. A Transit with EB, glass, interior and all the options I want is mid 40's. A Promaster is 10K cheaper but I have to add my own glass and interior. Don't want to stick north of $40K into a sloppy built Transit or Promaster when I could buy a Benz for that. I'd love a Sprinter Crew, but I can't afford the diesel repair risk. Leasing would be a good way to limit unexpected costs, but the rates on all these vans are absurd for a low mileage driver.
Thanks to Ford and Ram's lackluster offerings, I gave up the idea of a new van and bought a 22 year old E150 with a hacked up floor for my handicap access needs.
What risk is there for the first 5 years/100,000 miles since both powertrain and emissions are under warranty?
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What risk is there for the first 5 years/100,000 miles since both powertrain and emissions are under warranty?
Years 5 - 20 are the risk. No way I can justify a $40K vehicle based on 5 years of use, even assuming I could sell/trade it off at 5 years for half it's original price. For the 2000 miles/yr I typical drive the handicap van, that works out to at least $2/mile for depreciation alone. Add another $1.50 for interest, insurance, and fuel. At some point I might as well carry my wife the 4 miles to her doctors or the hospital. I'd save more than I'd make at my job. Handicap taxis are no solution either at about $100 a ride.
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Still dealing with loss of my Sprinter love....

Been planning a conversion for nearly a year now. Grew to really, really love the Sprinter. Love is blind, as I reluctantly see now. Was gonna pull the trigger on a $56k THIS week!

My due diligence review, however, caused me to reread a post I saw at the beginning of this and it stopped me DEAD in my tracks.

Everything that was so unbelievably great about the Sprinter, including the MPG record I found to be true. Spoke with a ton of Expediters too. My love of the Sprinter helped me to deny the things they were saying: Sprinters after 08 are trouble.

I really, really, really hope your lease goes well. But, it might be a plan if it was let go before it reaches the 100k mark.

Here is the post that killed my Sprinter love affair: had to remove it since I am so new with few posts.

google it as sprinter fatal flaw

I am new to this forum, haven't bumped into the link above on it yet, gotta be here, but incase it is not I have listed it. Not trying to bad mouth anybody but I just couldn't afford $56k investment with what looks like be a real risk demo'd by others experiences.

best of luck, hope you will update this as time goes on...
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