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Critique of order list for 2017 van, please

*** this is not a request for 3.7L vs a 3.5EB discussion. Thanks ****

I plan to get a 2017 MR 148" cargo van to use as a camping van. My efforts to find an in-stock 2017 unit are proving fruitless, and it appears that I will probably order.

My camping interior build will be fairly simple for one person and one dog: bunk or bed with storage underneath, a galley with a sink (hand pump water; grey water into a jerry can), portable stove. A 12V Engle or ARB fridge/cooler. No propane. Perhaps eventually a solar system if I can find someone to do the 12V work.

No regular towing, though occasionally perhaps a small Uhaul cargo trailer . Western mountain driving, plus a considerable amount of highway driving just getting from A to B on my long roadtrips.

Keeping the above in mind, my "dream build list" (based on reading here but no other knowledge) follows. Feedback, please: let me know if you see any glaring omissions, redundancies, or items that probably aren't worthwhile. I don't want to have any "wish I had ordered ..." moments but I've got a budget limit too.

Wish-list/ build order configuration

R2C -- T-250 MR 148"

99M -- 3.7L v6

X7L -- 3.73 Ltd Slip Diff axle

17B -- Fixed rear/sliding door glass

92E -- privacy glass

58Y -- audio (22): 4", SYNC, HD

60C -- cruise control

96D -- Load area protection package

86F -- two extra keys/fobs

21F -- cloth 10-way seat


-- front license plate bracket

90B -- 12V power point -- rear

85D -- Cargo area LED lighting

63C -- HD Alternator (210A)

63E -- Dual HD batteries

41H -- Engine block heater

542 -- Short arm mirrors, heated/signals

43R -- Reverse sensing system

53B -- HD trailer tow package (includes 59B)

52C -- Remote Keyless Entry Keypad

57N -- Rear Window Defogger

W6 custom color: Gem Green


I think 90B and 85D are standard in 2017, but I've called then out just in case they are not.

The load area protection pkg (floor + walls) rather than just floor are because in the first few months , I will insulate the walls but not put on final cladding until I have a design so I want the vinyl panels to screw back in place over the insulation, thus buying me some design and build time.

The engine block heater is inexpensive, and there is a strong probability that I will eventually settle in the mountains of CO or CA. So it is future-proofing the van. The HD towing package with tow/haul seems like a smart thing to have (and I need a hitch for a bike rack anyway); a TBC can be added later if I ever need it.

I am unsure about PATS (not listed): I want to be able to have an aftermarket key (for unlocking and driving) made that is small (no remote, no big plastic handle) for my pocket or to hide but threads here seemed to indicate that if the van has PATS you cannot get a "simple" key aftermarket: you're stuck with the honkin' huge and expensive keys from Ford. Can anyone explain? And is PATS worthwhile?.

Many thanks for your help with this and on other threads.
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We just ordered a 148 MR so we're kind of in the same boat as you. We went with a 150 as the 250 costs you an extra grand and only gets you an extra 400 lbs of payload for some reason. That looked like bad value to me. Then again, our design is going to be fairly light weight and we know we won't need that extra capacity. Also I think the Premium Package is a slam dunk value as it gives you Interior and Exterior packages as well as the leather seats all at a nice discount. If you price out even a few options a la carte (like the 22 audio, load area protection, upgraded seats, cruise control) you wind up at a higher price than the Premium Package and get a lot less. Note that on the website, it doesn't show the interior upgrade package as being checked off after you pick the Premium, but it is included as we confirmed this during the ordering process. I'd also reconsider the privacy glass and instead get all my windows wrapped aftermarket with a UV and thermal blocking film like Crystalline, which is available in different tint levels and has killer insulating properties.
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Upfitter switches, is that an option for 2017 or standard eq? I would add it if not standard eq., even if you don't have immediate plans for them.
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What I bought for a conversion:

http://www.ortontransit.info/transit_order_page.php

Two years later do not think I would add or subtract any options.

2015 high roof 148" WB 3.5 Ecoboost 3.31 LS rear cargo.
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I had a similar list. Depending on your use it looks very complete.

I specifically wanted a previously owned low miles 2016. A couple deal breakers must haves were:
t250 or t350
3.5 (towing up steep grades)
Tow package
Glass side and rear doors
Med high

Other things were wanted but negotiable:
3.7 LS
Cruise
Color other then white
6040 swing side doors (do not like slider)
Back up cam
Wagon vs cargo
Rear defog


After 10 months looking, ended up with a 10 mouth old 2016 for $31k
T350, 15 pass wagon w 19k
3.5
Silver XLR
Cruise
Tow pack
Lots of windows
Heat and a/c for rear
Cloth seats

Immediately replaced the audio "sync" head unit with a Pioneer. Ford audio is a POS if you ask me.
Would be nice to have:
Turn signals on mirrors! Going to ad these for sure
LS rear end, might do a 4x4 to fix that
Maybe extended mirrors. But I hear they get whacked off easily
Steering wheel control for audio system. Tough one to add
Leather seats. Going to install comfy leather aftermarket seats one day

Good luck!
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We just ordered a 148 MR so we're kind of in the same boat as you. We went with a 150 as the 250 costs you an extra grand and only gets you an extra 400 lbs of payload for some reason. ... Also I think the Premium Package is a slam dunk value as it gives you Interior and Exterior packages as well as the leather seats all at a nice discount.
What he said about 150 vs. 250 and the premium package!

Here is our option list and a discussion of the logic behind it: AlpineVan Options

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I would add 67D Trailer Brake Controller in case later on you go with a heavier trailer. Well worth the $230 MSRP price. It has a in-dash display that is better than what you get with the aftermarket controller. Lately when you order the 10 way power seat option, Ford has been putting the heated seat in the driver's side only. Mine came that way and have seen a few others. I had heard that they over produced the heated seats through the seat supplier so they just started putting them in to reduce their inventory. Our auction wagons have the pewter cloth seats and after 6 months, they look awful dark in spots where my charcoal cloth still look nice. I use a slightly stiff brush to keep them clear of dust and dirt.

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Thanks, everyone.

Regarding the premium package, I haven't got any interest in either leather seats or the exterior upgrade package, but I will price out individual components of the interior package and see if it makes sense. It has some things I want, and some I don't care about.

Privacy glass: I've seen $650 as "the price" no matter if you have just the rear cargo windows or windows all around, which doesn't make sense. I also saw $400 on a window sticker for a van with just rear cargo and slider glass. I will have to research that more, as well as the suggestion for the aftermarket tinting/thermal film.

T-150 vs T-250 ... not sure where to come down on that. There was a huge difference between the E-150 and the E-250, and that is coloring my judgement in many ways.

Any thoughts from anyone on PATS and the matter of aftermarket keys?
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Here is some information on the PATS system directly from the Ford Service Manual.

www.fordmanuals.org/page-3371.html


One note about the system is the flashing light in the instrument panel so if someone is looking inside, they may see the pulsating red lamp and not break into the Transit.

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T-150 vs T-250 ... not sure where to come down on that. There was a huge difference between the E-150 and the E-250, and that is coloring my judgement in many ways.

Any thoughts from anyone on PATS and the matter of aftermarket keys?
I never owned and E-series so can't speak to that. But as far as anyone has been able to tell the only difference between the 150 and 250 is the rear springs (which are easily replaced or airsprings added for <$500). Also depends upon the use. I am building my camper like an airplane; watching the ounces. I don't expect to go over the 8600 GVWR. Your use may differ.

Have you driven both the 3.5EB and the 3.7? The Ecoboost engine is a rocket when you need it and does OK on fuel IF, you go easy on the pedal. YMMV (literally), but I'm happy with the EB.

If you don't want leather, the premium package might not be best, although you should price it out. With leather and cruise control, it was no brainer.

If you want keys that you can get anywhere, forget PATS. I got PATS just because it seems that for a little extra, it was harder to steal. I also bought the option of two extra keys (4 total) for $75. I don't expect to need more than four in the life of the van. I owned my last vehicle for 13 years and only ever needed two that it came with.

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