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Ford's new V6 Diesel/10-Speed Tranny combo

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...150-mpg-for-18

Here's an article on Fords coming V6 Diesel/10-speed tranny for F-150. You'll have to copy and paste the above link. I can't seem to keep the hyperlink when I paste the address.

I've got to believe that Ford will utilize this engine and Tranny in Transit too. They spent a ton of money on development and emissions so spreading the use would be wise for this investment.

I'm a long trip driver and currently doing 700-mile days. I drive 75-78 mph which kills mileage on the 3.5 Ecoboost. Bugs me to get 14-15 mpg which isn't much better than the Econolines of past. Combined with 25-gallon tank, the range isn't so great.

Hoping new diesel, 10-speed tranny and a larger tank will someday make the options sheet.

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Looks like a nice setup but only time will tell. The 10 speed alone would be a big upgrade but I think the van may present fitment issues that are not a problem in the pickup.

Curious why you don't have the current diesel offered in the Transit?
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It's not so much the engine, but the aerodynamics that kill MPG above 60-65mph. It's hard to make a big square box efficient when pushing air out of the way. Moving to a Buck Rogers looking shell, like Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion car ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car ), would help a lot. There is a really cool car made in Germany in the 30's that had the best wind tunnel score ever until efforts in the 90's, and it was basically shaped like a flattened raindrop. With an exceptional aerodynamic shell, even a little 100hp motor would drive a Transit size/weight vehicle at fast speeds with low fuel usage.

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True about the aerodynamics- I've been having to make a 400 mile round trip almost weekly lately.
65MPH my diesel shows around 19-20 MPG for the trip.. 75MPH it shows about 15-16 MPG!
Huge difference for what amounts to a 25 min savings for one way...IOW an extra 2.5 gallons of fuel per 200 mile leg at $2.50 per gallon = $6.25 to get there 25 minutes sooner on a 3+ hr trip!
I'm retired and usually not in that big of a hurry- heck that $6.25 will buy lunch!

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You know the diesel equation is a tough decision. Economically thinking. It's such an expensive upgrade it's really a decision you need to factor in difference in MPG, cost of fuel and the upgrade costs.

It may take a lot of driving to make it worth it.

For pick up's diesel is an advantage and you can sell them for a higher price later, but for the vans they may not earn an extra premium later in the same manner.

I'd also like to see a smaller eco boost with the 10 speed too.

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Yeah, tallying the numbers convinced me to not get diesel; buying and operating the 3.7 gas engine is cheaper over 500,000 miles. The ecoboost over 350,000 miles. Those are the estimated break even points given the cost of the engine option, fuel cost savings, and maintenance costs. And there are some variables that are hard to account for; such as the price fluctuation of diesel. Sometimes lower than regular, sometimes higher than super.
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The diesel really shines if you do a lot of towing- which I do. Loaded down with probably 800-1000 lbs in the van and towing a 3500 lb travel trailer I get 15-16MPG at 65 MPH.
The gas engines may get near the same mileage empty but drop like a rock towing....many report 10-11 towing similar loads.
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I don't think diesels do that much better anymore.
Here is a good example http://www.tfltruck.com/2016/07/dies...ng-mpg-review/
The diesels towing the same load as the gas get about the exact same percent reduction in mpg compared to unloaded mpg.
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The diesel really shines if you do a lot of towing- which I do. Loaded down with probably 800-1000 lbs in the van and towing a 3500 lb travel trailer I get 15-16MPG at 65 MPH.
The gas engines may get near the same mileage empty but drop like a rock towing....many report 10-11 towing similar loads.


Not if your comparing to a 3.5, I had 4.900# in my van and lost very little MPG
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I don't think diesels do that much better anymore.
Here is a good example http://www.tfltruck.com/2016/07/dies...ng-mpg-review/
The diesels towing the same load as the gas get about the exact same percent reduction in mpg compared to unloaded mpg.
The diesel used in that test has been pretty well criticized for poor fuel mileage.
Diesels used in other pickups return far better MPG towing than that one, so..
Looks to me like Nissan (no surprise) built a loser.

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