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THAT FIRST OIL CHANGE....at 1000 miles?

It used to be fairly standard practice to change oil on new vehicles at around the first 1000 miles due to the "breaking in" of new engines.

Today, many people say the new engines and new factory oils eliminate that practice. Others say it is all about the filters which should prevent damage due to the harmful shards of metal from new engine use.

Better safe than sorry comes to mind...especially since an oil change is not all that expensive or time consuming.

What say ye? When did you do/get your first oil change? Perhaps, we can start tracking results of those who did / did not change their oil at around 1000 miles.




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I don't know a lot about breaking in an engine (my Transit is my first new vehicle) but I changed the oil at 2k because I wanted full synth in there instead of the Motorcraft I'm sure Ford put in it.
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I just passed 3000 miles...as soon as I find time, I'll change the oil. Then I'll do it every 3 to 4 thousand miles from here on out. Lots of chatter about changing intervals, but I'm old school and it works for me. I like that oil looking clear all the time.

I've never tried full synthetic oil in any vehicle I've ever owned. Seems to me that fresh Motorcraft works fine.

My '04 F-150 is getting close to 80K...I'll put full synthetic in it next time just for giggles, I'm kind of curious to see (and hear) if it makes some kind of difference.
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I, for one, did it the old school way. I changed oil at 1000 miles and went to Mobile One. I have a problem with changing oil at 10,000 miles. Each to their own, but I too believe that a oil change is cheap. I'm sure some one at Ford has done extensive research on it and said it was good to go but I prefer to do it my way. They probably said the Air Filter housing was good to!


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I, for one, did it the old school way. I changed oil at 1000 miles and went to Mobile One. I have a problem with changing oil at 10,000 miles. Each to their own, but I too believe that a oil change is cheap. I'm sure some one at Ford has done extensive research on it and said it was good to go but I prefer to do it my way. They probably said the Air Filter housing was good to!
My thinking exactly. Besides, I don't think Ford is worried about longevity. They're worried about their bottom line (like all businesses). People buying new Ford cars and trucks more often helps that bottom line, so sure, 10k between oil changes is fine, absolutely, no worries....

No thanks. Call me paranoid, but I'll just keep going in every 3k and keeping that oil nice and clean.
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Folks may want to take into consideration the following research paper:

http://papers.sae.org/2007-01-4133/

I don't have access to the full report, but in the abstract, some notable comments:
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In one of our previous studies it was observed that engine oil samples collected from fleet vehicles after 12,000 mile drain interval showed 10-15 % lower friction and more importantly, an order of magnitude lower wear rate than those of fresh oils.
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the results [of the current study] showed that the aged engine oils provide lower friction and much improved wear protection capability. These improvements were observed as early as the 3000 mile drain interval and continued to the 15000 mile drain interval.
Of course, how significant is the wear during those first 3,000 miles? What ultimately is the long term effect? This could be on the order of the engine lasting "only" 300,000 miles instead of 400,000. Hard to know from only the abstract. I'm certainly not attempting to argue that 3,000 mile OCIs are going to kill your engine. Just providing information that there is some reputable evidence that it may actually be more harmful doing a premature oil change vice extending the drain interval.

The other issue I've read about, but am struggling to find good authoritative sources for, is that fresh oil has a "burn off" period during which the more volatile components (e.g., light base oils) will boil off. This would lead to more gunk being pulled out via the PCV system after an oil change. The thinking goes that with too frequent oil changes would lead to the engine ingesting more oil vapors than it would with longer drain intervals which inevitably leads to discussion about increased valve deposits in direct injected engines. I'll keep digging for info.
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Like I stated earlier, each to their own. I've been through several new motors and follow my way of thinking and have not had a problem motor wise. My way of thinking is with a new motor I'm getting a bit of (tiny, miniscule or whatever) bits of metal shavings until every thing has been seated. Hence I prefer not to have all of those shavings in my oil and do a my first oil change at 1000 miles. Not saying this is right or wrong just saying this is my preferred method. I did click on the thread that phantom6294 provided, and did read it. Not arguing it, but it didn't mention anything (that I can remember) if that it was dino oil or semi or full synthetic. That test was published in Oct of 2007 on industry standard engines. I personally don't consider my twin turbo 3.5 a industry standard in 2007.
Now that I have switched to full synthetic I'll probably be changing every 5000 miles. That goes past my usual 3000 miles (on dino oil) but I realize that the oil industry has upped their game with the new semi and full synthetic oils. I do get a kick out of taking my Transit into a shop and they preach that you use full synthetic oils because they are so much better etc, etc. But when they install the little sticker on your windshield (to remind you of the next oil change) it's 3000 miles from the time you just changed it. Times are a changing!


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I am with Ford on this one.

Oil threads are tough but I tend to honor what the manufacturer suggests. If you have ever tried to modify a vehicle it is apparent how much research and development goes into modern vehicles. I am certain the oil change interval is not an arbitrary or brochure driven number.

It's your van though - whatever makes you happy.
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I'll probably change around 5,000 miles - because the way I drive that'll be about once a year! (I have a company car I drive home so only drive my own vehicle after-hours and on weekends - or as my insurance company has it listed, "pleasure driving"! )

My '98 S10 (18 years old) has just shy of 100,000 miles, runs just fine, burns no oil - and had an oil change approximately "whenever I feel like it". That was probably in the 7-8k mile, 18 months range! Not suggesting that for good practice, just for me "out of sight out of mind" is a potent force. With nothing to ACTIVELY remind me to do an oil change I just didn't even think about it until some vague "gee, it's been a while..." got me to check.

I figure if the Transit will be harassing me I'll actually get the oil changed a bit more frequently.
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I'm 65 years old but I'm not stuck in 1960. The whole first oil change at 1000 miles was based on the machining capabilities decades ago where metal particulate was a real issue. Nowadays not a single auto manufacturer recommends an early oil change to eliminate particulate metal. If auto manufacturers are providing 60,000 mile or more engine warranties and only recommending 5,000 mile or more oil changes I think we're pretty safe following their recommendations. Mini only uses synthetic and they recommend changes at 12,000 miles. We also used to idle our cars for 10-15 minutes at start up in cold weather but it has been proven that the engines warm up better with light driving for the warm up period. Hard scientific evidence beats "I've always done it this way" every time.

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