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My wife and I bought a 2016 Transit 250 High Top about a month ago, and we love it. Runs like a top, perfect for what we wanted it for (camper conversion)...everything's going great.

When we bought the van, it had been sitting so long that the battery was dead. I figure that's pretty normal for the big dealers like the one we went to, and they jumped it to get us going and it's been fine ever since. One thing that worried me about such a prolonged sit, though, was the oil: how long had that stuff been sitting in the engine, breaking down from disuse?

I know the 3 month/3,000 mile rule doesn't always apply to modern engines with modern oil, but I figured Ford wouldn't have put the best oil in the thing to begin with, so at 1,800 miles I had it changed. I put Mobile 1 5w-20, full synthetic in it, with a Mobile 1 extended performance filter (because I couldn't find the FRAM synthetic filters anywhere for the Transit).

The result? It runs like a freaking beast now. It accelerates more easily, pulls hills at better speed and without having to downshift as much...it even sounds better both at idle and at acceleration (it never sounded bad, but now it's much quieter and much smoother sounding). The change is marked and profound, and I've experienced it in cars with older engines (a 2009 Kia Spectra with 200,000 on it and a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 120,000)...but to see the big changes like that in a brand new motor blew me away.

So now I'm wondering: is this just my bias (I think the oil is better, so I think the engine is running better with the better oil in it -- kind of like the placebo effect), or have others experienced this as well? I find it hard to imagine that it's just my mind playing tricks on me, given the results are so pronounced...but then, I would think that, wouldn't I?
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Could also involve standard break-in effects... which, I presume, could vary from unit to unit.

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Could also involve standard break-in effects... which, I presume, could vary from unit to unit.
Perhaps you're right, but the change was immediate. I pulled out of the oil change place and had to climb a small hill to get to the main road and it was like driving a whole new van. It was incredible.
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Which engine?

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The 3.7L V6.

So nobody else has experienced this? I don't want to make it sound like the engine ran like crap before; it was pretty normal, honestly. It drove like the truck that it is. But after was a whole different story.

Also, like I said, I've noticed the same effect on both a 2009 Kia Spectra and a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee -- so either this is really happening, or I'm a crazy person.

There are two big hills on my way home from work though (on a highway where the speed limit is 70), and the van used to jump down three gears and send the RPMs to 4,000+ with the cruise on to pull them at speed. Today, post oil change, it only dropped two gears and stayed just over 3,000 RPMS, also with the cruise on.
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There are two big hills on my way home from work though (on a highway where the speed limit is 70), and the van used to jump down three gears and send the RPMs to 4,000+ with the cruise on to pull them at speed. Today, post oil change, it only dropped two gears and stayed just over 3,000 RPMS, also with the cruise on.
That might could be environmental factors, or the difference between a wet and dry air filter. In thin warm air, my 3.5 runs better than in humid air.


Just making suggestions... maybe it is wonder oil. I've never tried full synthetic.

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More commonly known as the placebo effect.

I know what you're talking about, years ago I thought the same thing. I think it's common, particularly with all the hype and marketing surrounding synthetic motor oils. The advertisements want us to believe that everything is better with their premium oils, and our brain wants to believe that after forking over more cash for better oil. Unfortunately it doesn't actually work like that.

Think about it...if lubrication was holding back a noticeable amount of engine performance, imagine how much friction would be occuring? You generally won't feel one or two horsepower, and if you were losing more than that due to lubrication your engine would self destruct in feet, not miles. There would also be a tremendous amount of heat generated by said friction, and the engine would get HOT.

I've switched between dino and synthetic oils in lots of cars and trucks over the years, and it makes no difference. I'm sitting in my '15 F150 at the moment with a very similar engine to your Transit, and this got Mobil1 just a couple thousand miles ago for the first time in place of the Pennzoil conventional I used before. Didn't notice a bit of difference, it runs like the same F150 I drove off the lot with Motorcraft conventional 8 months ago.

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That might could be environmental factors, or the difference between a wet and dry air filter. In thin warm air, my 3.5 runs better than in humid air.


Just making suggestions... maybe it is wonder oil. I've never tried full synthetic.
Perhaps. That road is pretty windy some days. Be a **** of a coincidence though. I guess I'll see after repeated trips down that road during different types of weather.

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More commonly known as the placebo effect.

I know what you're talking about, years ago I thought the same thing. I think it's common, particularly with all the hype and marketing surrounding synthetic motor oils. The advertisements want us to believe that everything is better with their premium oils, and our brain wants to believe that after forking over more cash for better oil. Unfortunately it doesn't actually work like that.

Think about it...if lubrication was holding back a noticeable amount of engine performance, imagine how much friction would be occuring? You generally won't feel one or two horsepower, and if you were losing more than that due to lubrication your engine would self destruct in feet, not miles. There would also be a tremendous amount of heat generated by said friction, and the engine would get HOT.

I've switched between dino and synthetic oils in lots of cars and trucks over the years, and it makes no difference. I'm sitting in my '15 F150 at the moment with a very similar engine to your Transit, and this got Mobil1 just a couple thousand miles ago for the first time in place of the Pennzoil conventional I used before. Didn't notice a bit of difference, it runs like the same F150 I drove off the lot with Motorcraft conventional 8 months ago.
You might be right. That's why I asked, to make sure I wasn't just kidding myself. I'm gonna take the van out tonight to pick up the wife from work, so I'll pay really close attention and be as sure as I can be that I'm not tricking myself into something.
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I am a believer in full synthetics. The first thing I did when I bought my 2002 F150 King Ranch Supercrew was take it to my Amsoil dealer and have him change everything to full synthetic......engine, rear end, transmission and transfer case. I now have about 165,000 troublefree miles on it.
One thing, when he took off the rear diff. cover....it was full of muddy water looking fluid.....it was ugly. I think we dodged a bullit on that one. I guess those assemblies must sit outside in the weather until they get installed. I was NOT impressed and hope that my new Transit doesn't start out in the same manner. And yes, the first thing I will due when I get my new rig is change everything to Amsoil full synthetic.
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I bought a new Ram last March and I got up the next morning and started the truck up and heard engine rattling I immediately took it to the shop and had full synthetic and no more rattling. I don't know what kind of junk oil they use at the factory but I would suggest changing it as soon as you get it home.
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