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Transit low roof wagon diesel, do they exist?

As is pretty common with me, I always decide on the rarest of vehicles to lust after. After much research here and elsewhere I have decided a low roof 144 wagon with the diesel will fit my needs. Tow package will be a plus as well as non sliding door on the passenger side.

I have searched at length and found very few - Ford.com found me one in NJ for 50k! To make things more difficult I would like used, 15k miles or less. Only thing on my side is I am in no hurry!

Has anyone here got one of these rare birds? Owners please chime in here, I am just wanting to know how many are around.
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Are you looking for the low roof 148" WB wagon with 3.2L diesel? Transit 150 or 350? Very few would be in a dealer inventory so you would probably have to order it. Used would probably be impossible especially when going to the non-slider door for passenger side.

Just ran a scan via system and these show up!


Have you checked with Ted Britt Ford in Fairfax, VA? They show 2 Low Roof diesel wagons. One is black, VIN GKA04293 and the other is silver, VIN GKA06395. Both have open out right hand doors, trailer tow package, 3.73 ratio rear axle, and passenger running board. Rest of options are different on each wagon.

Let me know if you have looked at these Transits. Just did a local search from your area and both of these show up at the same dealership. Surprised ford.com sent you to NJ. Did you try to search for a 2015 model or 2016? Both of these are 2016 models

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CrewVan, thanks!

Yes I am looking for a 148 wagon low roof. I got the 144 mixing in a Sprinter wheelbase, oops. Can I ask you what methods you are using to search? I use Autotrader and the ford site - build one then search for matches. Neither has been very helpful though there are plenty of vans like I want minus the diesel.

I would be willing to get a slider, I just want to know how many diesel wagons are out there, nation wide. I am not wanting to order or buy new - I just can't stand to take that first owner hit. Current year or close and low miles is the van I want.

I will take a look at the vans you found, thanks again.
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The rental fleets are releasing the first group of Transits now. I looked at the Ford auction listing for ALL the upcoming auctions and most of the diesels units are high roof models. Lots of vans but few wagons. Most have over 20K miles. I use a Ford insider system that can give me the current dealer inventory and units in line for build. Can get the Transits coming up for auction via the Ford dealer auction which is restricted to Ford dealers only. It is comprised of rental units and Ford Corporate vehicles used by Ford employees.

Unless you are going to sell your Transit in the first 3 years, you won't take that much hit on it. December is a BIG selling month and Ford dealers try to move anything.....whether it is a 2015 or 2016. Some dealers are already making $4K to $5K discounts on their part not including any factory rebates.

Both of the wagons listed in the thread above have $4800 discount on them. You may be able to work another $2K down to $40K plus TTL, which is a GOOD DEAL on any diesel wagon. You might make the trip, drive them both, and make a deal for one of them. I would go with the silver wagon as it has the 10 way power seat versus the limited slip rear axle and reverse park aid on the black wagon. Only $100 MSRP difference in price between the two wagons.

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Ok thanks. I can't afford a 40k van.

My dream van looks like this but diesel powered.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ink=true&Log=0

I could go gas but don't relish teens for mpg. No problem now but at $4 a gallon it wouldn't be as fun.

Sounds like you have a good inside track to the pipeline of vans. I have been researching like crazy and will continue to do so.

Thanks again. I will likely either get a med roof or gasser low roof. You gotta have dreams tho - mine has a nice diesel rattle and tons of low end.
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Problem on the diesel is the nearly $6K option price. The only low roof Transit diesels coming through the Ford sale this time are vans.
There is a LR 15 passenger diesel Transit released via the rental fleet in FL for $29,870.

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Car and Driver got their grubby paws on a LR diesel.

interesting read if you are in the market....

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

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Problem on the diesel is the nearly $6K option price.
That is true only if you stay with the base gasoline engine and if you are only discussing MSRP.

The difference is less than half that if your configuration pushes you into the EcoBoost, which will happen if you want a high GVWR without the 4.10 axle ratio.

The diesel also gives you the 2 battery option, which can be ordered with the gasoline engines.
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I could go gas but don't relish teens for mpg. No problem now but at $4 a gallon it wouldn't be as fun.
The counterpoint is the (potential) added expense of diesel engine repairs.

The diesel has a DEF tank and all of the related injectors and sensors, a DEF catalyst and a DPF filter that requires regeneration to burn off the soot into ash. All of that stuff is stupidly expensive.

On the basic maintenance side, the diesel holds more oil and the oil costs more.

One bad batch of diesel fuel can royally FU the entire fuel delivery and storage system in a CRD diesel- no matter whose name is on the body. Water is the enemy, and a little bit will destroy the fuel system at 25,000 psi. If it happens, it is a >$10,000.00 fix- the entire fuel system (tank, lines, pumps, injectors) must be replaced and "bad fuel" is not covered under the manufacturers warranty. Of course, none of the manufacturers are providing a fuel filter system that is truly capable of dealing with the contaminants that can destroy the fuel system, instead relying on the diesel supply system to deliver in-spec fuel and fuel storage... and the USA diesel fuel standards are not equal to Euro standards.

At least Ford has a manual DPF regeneration option, but that won't cure problems from excessive idling. The DEF system has reduced the number of DPF regenerations compared to pre-DEF systems.

If the diesel engine is trouble free, then all is well, outside of the small added expense of routine maintenance. You do not read about these experiences on internet forums.

Ford diesel engine repairs will NOT be any cheaper than Sprinter or Promaster diesel engine (and emissions) repairs.

Diesel will also be over $4 a gallon at some point in the future.

If you like the Transit van itself, and do not drive lots of miles or expedite freight, the gasoline engine may prove to be a much better choice in the long run.

If you spend some time building a Transit on the Ford site, the payload and towing capacities of a properly equipped gasoline engine model will be greater than the diesel.

Just to make the point more clear, a "routine" glow plug replacement on my 2008 Dodge Sprinter turned into an ordeal that took weeks to "repair" and the botched work at a Dodge dealership that serviced Dodge Sprinters required *additional* repair at a Mercedes dealer because the Dodge tech reused the injector crush washers. The glow plug broke off in the head and the Dodge dealer did not have the tool to extract it, so the cylinder head was replaced. That repair would have been in excess of $6,000.00 US if it wasn't covered by the emissions warranty. Because the glow plugs are used in DPF regeneration, it fell under the emissions warranty. The additional parts and labor at Mercedes was about $1,000.00, out of pocket.

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Very well said.

A return on investment should be done to justify a diesel. For most it is not a good choice.

A diesel may last twice as long as a gas but cost twice as much or more to replace. Long lasting is not a factor.

Maintenance will be higher cost. Potential repairs are higher cost simply due to the additional software and hardware required to meet diesel emission laws.

If the cost of fuel usage is a deciding factor, then diesel should be considered.

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