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Hydronic Heater

Curious if anyone has installed a Hydronic heater yet. Trying decide on the ideal spot in the coolant system to tie in to. I will likely be using a heat exchanger to keep the engine and camper coolant separate.
If anyone has a schematic of the coolant system that would help as well.

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I think you will find a lot of useful information in the Sprinter forum link posted below. Including some schematics.

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42180
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Which system are you considering? Alde has a propane system and I think they have installation manuals online that might be useful to see typical installation of hydronic systems. They have a heat exchanger to tie into the vehicle cooling system to pass heat either way, an added pump is used to do engine preheat. Roadtrek use Alde in some of their Sprinter vans and the Webasto diesel unit in their all electric Sprinters.

http://www.alde.se/usa/

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Which system are you considering? Alde has a propane system and I think they have installation manuals online that might be useful to see typical installation of hydronic systems. They have a heat exchanger to tie into the vehicle cooling system to pass heat either way, an added pump is used to do engine preheat. Roadtrek use Alde in some of their Sprinter vans and the Webasto diesel unit in their all electric Sprinters.

http://www.alde.se/usa/

I haven't seen that brand before. Looks like a very nice system. From what I could gather it was propane only unfortunately.
I'm looking at the Webasto or Espar diesel units.
I'm really just trying to determine the best place to cut into the existing cooling system on the truck to install a heat exchanger and pump.

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We've got a gasoline hydronic furnace/hot water system hooked up to our van. Completely happy with on-demand water and t-stat controlled heat. it is audible from inside van when running and sound like a mini-jet aircraft from the outside.

We did not tie into the vehicle coolant system, but rather have a separate stand-alone system with a gallon holding tank for antifreeze/heat exchanger.
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I had a Webasto St 2000 in my last box truck and will absolutely be putting in another once my cleaning equipment is installed in my transit.
Last one was diesel but will probably get the gas version and plumb it right into my tank

which models are you considering
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This is one of the things I was alluding to in my "Powertrain Protection" thread.

I'd like to save fuel, reduce emissions, and also prolong the life of the engine and transmission. To do so requires warm coolant, warm oil, and warm transmission fluid.

I got a quote for $1195 for an Espar B5 heater, which heats the coolant. It might help with the other two fluids depending on how the Transit is engineered.

Some vehicles have "transmission coolers" which exchange heat with the coolant; sometimes the ATF is cycled through this only in neutral and driving gears; others, it is also cycled in park. Other vehicles have a transmission cooler in front of the radiator; some have both types.

Also, some vehicles have an "oil cooler" which is in the engine coolant; some apparently are externally cooled. From the Haynes manual for the E-series (1992-1995):
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Note: The oil cooler on the 7.5L engine is an integral part of the oil filter adapter and assembly. The oil cooler on the 5.4L and 6.8L engine incorporates an adapter mounted to th eoil filter that disperses oil through metal lines to the radiator much like a transmission cooling system.
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https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...-17-14-v46.pdf
Oil coolers to help extend oil life and lower cost of ownership




What is the configuration of the Transit (spark-ignited)?
Is there a good place on the Web to find this sort of information?

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We've got a gasoline hydronic furnace/hot water system hooked up to our van. it is audible from inside van when running and sound like a mini-jet aircraft from the outside.
A hydronic system that provides hot water for camper heating, showers and engine pre-heat would be great! ........ But, the noise factor makes it a no-go for a stealth camper.
Anyone know of a relatively quiet alternative?

Edit: I see that the Alde system can do that, with just a small 12volt pump - shouldn't be too noisy. Not sure if it can provide enough hot water for a good shower, but I like the sound of the in-floor heating possibilities, and pre-heating the vehicle engine.
I wish it could be fired with kerosene or diesel instead of propane.

Anyone know how costly the Alde system is?

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A hydronic system that provides hot water for camper heating, showers and engine pre-heat would be great! ........ But, the noise factor makes it a no-go for a stealth camper.
Anyone know of a relatively quiet alternative?

Edit: I see that the Alde system can do that, with just a small 12volt pump - shouldn't be too noisy. Not sure if it can provide enough hot water for a good shower, but I like the sound of the in-floor heating possibilities, and pre-heating the vehicle engine.
I wish it could be fired with kerosine or diesel instead of propane.

Anyone know how costly the Alde system is?
One way to heat shower water is to have a vehicle powered inverter to provide 120 volt power with engine running. Install a cartridge electric element in a non-pressure tank and pump water out with a submersible DC pump. Takes about 1/2 hour to heat the water to 90 degrees with a 625 watt element. All the water in the tank is the same temperature so no hot/cold mixing and no plumbing.

I let van get cold at night and use a 12 volt heating pad to stay warm.

Both are quiet for stealth camping.

No solution for heating engine water.

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Hello, Mr. Dave Orton!
I have been following your build over on the Sprinter Forum for several years, and now here, so I was aware of your shower hot water-in-a-beer keg system. I do like the concept - simple, and stealthy!
It does not address the problem of heating the camper, however. (Where I live, with temperatures often minus twenty Celcius, I don't think your 12 volt heating blanket under the sleeping bag will cut it for me - we can't all live in Californicate!)
I am trying to avoid propane, and your method of refridgeration and shower heating will work just fine.
I may end up with Webasto or Espar running on kerosene to heat the van, but they are not very quiet either. The Alde runs quietly, but on propane, and will no doubt be rather costly.
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