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HD mobile camera systems

I know there are mobile camera systems out there but few seem to have utilized either TV-HDI, hi res IP based cameras, dvrs and displays. That is one of the things I have been planning on doing this year. I have installed a lot of cctv systems and am trying to merge 12 volt "car wash proof" commercial products into a small effective system that will keep a record and assist driving visibility. Panasonic has an unbelievably nice IP mobile camera for vehicle exteriors, but it is very expensive, Alibi has a stainless vandal proof dome with IR which is less than 1/2 the price. I have just ordered a 7" HD CCTV test monitor to see how it will mount and perform in a system rather than out in the field with a tech. Wondering if anyone in the forum has a comment or experience in this area. HD and SD are so far apart now in the industry. It seems like vehicle systems are stuck in the SD world.
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As long as it's IP67 rated it should be fine for wet weather.

I think they are lacking in HD because of the difficulty in using new wire types, although hd-tvi should easily use coax or rca cables. If you used cat6 you can use poe injection and use one cable.

The costs are prohibitive, though and that's the issue.

If you need recording you can use a dash cam which all are 1080p. I have 2 and they work great. They're made by Whistler and have a lot of options and wifi connections to your phone and save to SD card and other things.

I use regular cameras for viewing only since the picture on a small screen doesn't really show the benefits of the HD resolution.

My front dash cam has a very wide view of 160 degrees, I think. I plan on putting the rear one through a hole in the rear door to keep it out of the weather.

You could probably get bullet style sealed wide angle cameras for HD but remember unless it's intended for mobile the regular recorders won't handle the heat of a vehicle in the sun. They run hot in an office with the built in fans.

You'll also have issues with power on off with key. That's a benefit of dash cams - they have auto on/record and most have shock sensors and will record of someone bumps the car. They also have a small battery or capacitor inside for extra recording after power off as well. And they have one button emergency backup incase someone causes a wreck or whatever you can save that file from being overwritten.
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this is what i want, but so far i have not researched it and have no idea what it costs? but i did see systems in the west marine catalog selling for about 75 grand! if it costs under 2 grand maybe!

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360 degree camera- 2017 F-150 option

Aloha, Available on a Ford pickup truck with window all around, but not a van without windows. I am waiting for Transit to get the 400 watt inverter that the F-150 gets. $100 more than the Transit to get more juice.. 100 or 400? Simple?

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Driver-Assist Technology Advanced technology helps you respond in a wide variety of situations. Available Pro Trailer Backup Assist™ makes backing up a trailer as easy as turning a knob, while the class-exclusive* 360-degree camera with split-view display** is helpful for maneuvering in tight spaces. Lane-Keeping System** helps keep you from unintentionally drifting out of your lane and BLIS® (Blind Spot Information System) with cross-traffic alert** warns you of vehicles approaching from the sides when the transmission is in Reverse.† Other features include adaptive cruise control and forward collision warning with brake support,** which slows your vehicle down as traffic ahead slows and enhances braking if you don’t react in time,† Curve Control, which works with AdvanceTrac® with RSC® to reduce speed when you’re going too fast on a curve, and class-exclusive* active park assist,** which selects a parking space and assists
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this is what i want, but so far i have not researched it and have no idea what it costs? but i did see systems in the west marine catalog selling for about 75 grand! if it costs under 2 grand maybe!

http://www.flir.com/cores/content/?id=62945
An organization I'm with has been using FLIR for about 10 years. One of the early experiments involved a large FLIR intended for use on helicopters mounted on a roof rack. The signal was sent through a splitter that didn't degrade the signal to a VHS (!) recorder and a 9" CRT(!) screen. We also had a few handhelds, $10k each at the time, and we drove for 10-15 miles one night up by Rubicon using just the big FLIR to see the road, and looking out side windows with the handhelds! It's amazing how much wildlife is right next to the road that you never see at night. No headlights, of course.

There are handhelds that have a video out connection for as low as $2000 now. I could see mounting one of those on top of the van and connecting it to a monitor.
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Since it is your money, I say get the Panasonic!

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Here is the carwash test for the Alibi stainless. The reason I kind of like this one for the Transit is it could take advantage of the slope section right above the windshield (on the mid and high roof).


It is not with their newest designs using older multi IR LED's. I hope Alibi adopts the more powerful IR technology for this purpose and hopefully reduces it's overall size.

Here's the promo on the Panasonic


As far as it's mode of operation related to vehicle status that is managed pretty easily and could coincide with aux outputs from the alarm/starter system and stealing some status outputs from the vehicle cpu.

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Aloha, Available on a Ford pickup truck with window all around, but not a van without windows.
My boss just got a new F350 and has the 360 degree camera. It's actually a stitched-together panorama, the truck has at least four, maybe five cameras. One under each side mirror, one in the front grille, one in the tailgate and (IIRC) one up in the third brake light. No reason at all they can't do that in the Transits but Ford seems to like keeping the "nicer" or "fancier" options exclusive to the higher-end vehicles...

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I am waiting for Transit to get the 400 watt inverter that the F-150 gets. $100 more than the Transit to get more juice.. 100 or 400? Simple?
$100 more on a quality, good brand pure-sine 12V inverter would bump me from 100W to 600W so...

I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to inverters anyway, I prefer pure-sine. Most things will work with mod-sine (which the Transit inverter is, I don't know about the F-series one) but they run hotter. Some things don't work at all though. (I had a laptop power supply just about melt down on me once, I couldn't even touch it!) With a pure-sine, I don't have to worry about either issue... (Though I do have to go to the trouble of installing it somewhere and wiring it up!)

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I think that 360 system is already officially "rumored' for the (2019) transit. I read that the other day somewhere, maybe on one of Crewmanvan's posts.

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That HD test monitor arrived today from China. I have to say it was worth the wait. The screen itself is the same 7" as my new Garmin DRIVESMART 6.1 LMT-S. (big marketing error by Garmin naming it with a "6" btw. The price was half the going rate that my trade affiliated distributors are selling it for. The back lith-ion battery access cover unscrews easily and would be the mounting surface for a 17mm Ram mount or VESA plate. The power supply/charger is a perfect 12.8 volts for a mobile application too.

I had been thinking lately of doubling up or tripling the Garmin but find it lacking in configurability for data screens (unlike my hand held Etrex Vista) and the BC-30 camera is low res and has very limited range.

This monitor has inputs for HDMI, VGA, and switch selectable SD or HD-TVI
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