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Lizard Skin - Heat & Sound Coating

New guy posting here. I have a 2015 extended rear, hi roof diesel in construction for a mobile office on front and mountain bikes and work/hiking/biking/camping field gear in rear as needed. I love the rig and don't regret my purchase despite having Diesel Exhaust Fluid issues twice now. My Transit is sitting in my shop stuck in limp mode but local dealer is towing it tomorrow. Maybe we can solve the issue the second time around with 14,000 miles between the same issue over about a year. I'm hopeful.

I'm new to posting (picture issues on my end) but have been fortunate to private message Orton & Hein and I have benefited greatly on my build due to those two guys. Thank you to both of them for pointing me in worthwhile directions and also to Hein for producing custom roof rack mounts second to none for my roof rack. I will post up some input on my Front Runner roof rack setup in a different post since it solves many Transit issues for solar panels and field/camping accessories like fuel, water, and gear storage. Back to the Lizard Skin.

I made a choice about 8 months ago to spray Lizard Skin into and onto every cavity, panel and nook from the roof down to the floor. I went with Eastwood Heat & Sound stick-on material (Dynamat copy) inside the front doors & slider to avoid mucking up window and door lock/latch mechanisms. I live and work as a construction project manager in SoCal so fighting heat is my issue here. Since we can't hang rigid insulation on the outside and spraying Lizard Skin on the outside is lame, I went all in to spray the interior with Lizard Skin to knock down the heat gain and I'm pleased as I can be. My #1 goal is to keep heat out and move heat out when it gets inside. I believe the Lizard Skin is holding back 80% of the heat gain from getting inside the vehicle. I installed two (2) Maxxfans with one pushing air out and the other pulling air in. In addition, Orton coached me to install floor vents to draw cool air from below, so I installed two vents, one in front and one in back, due to the future partition which will separate the front & rear sections of my interior (framework welded into position currently). I have great air movement and I use it daily. I use my van outside during the week and then on weekends for biking & hiking so I needed to focus on heat gain & air movement first, then conditioning the remaining air at a later date. Cool air conditioning is a tough equation with how to power a proper system but I'm not interested in loading up on a huge battery bank. I did install two (2) 6 volt aux batteries (solar powered), and that is my daily office power for daily use. Works great thus far with a 300 watt LG panel.

My finished interior will utilize 3M Thinsulate purchased from Hein (yes, in addition to the Lizard Skin), coupled with newly delivered plastic side panels out of Canada (a few guys on this site have purchased the same ones as well) which are going to be custom upholstered with a nice gray tweed cloth before going inside permanently. Ultimately the mobile office desk and the rear bike/work gear area will be decked out in full 80/20 fixtures, but the walls and ceiling need to go in first.

I'm open to answer questions about Lizard Skin since I seem to be the only guy who sprayed the entire interior and many seem to be searching for real solutions to heat and sound issues. I'm here to say it works very well in a warm climate and it has been the #1 modification I feel is making my build as thermally good as it can be. I can't speak to cold climates and any moisture drive issues so I won't comment on that topic. Cold climates are a different animal and I have no idea about temps below 40 degrees. Any excuse to wear a jacket is fine by me but that is a rare event here in SoCal the last 5 years.

I look forward to sharing some build experience and talking with many of you about Transits. I drive and work in my almost daily.
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Thanks for posting your pictures and experience with Lizard skin. How much did you spend on Lizard skin to cover the whole interior?

Can you give us the contact info for the panels from Canada? I am shopping for a roof liner.
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I am not familiar with Lizard Skin but I looked into a similar bedliner type product for just the floor and 24" up the sides of my van and was quoted $1200.

I live in the Northeast where everything is expensive, the installer claimed it was a significant amount of labor to first prep the painted surfaces then mask them off for the application.

For a truck bed they charge 5-600.

This was the end of my research into these products lol.
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Does it add much weight to rig?
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My cost was about $1,500 for LSkin product direct from manufacturer. I did my own spray work inside my shop over many weekends. I also sprayed the inside of the new tins for my 1959 vintage Shasta trailer so the split in product was balanced between the two. It worked really well to add stiffness to the thin trailer tins plus the thermal blocking benefits are a bonus in a rolling oven/trailer.

Bodyguardvanliners.com is the source of the interior plastic panels for the walls and some trim areas. As far as I know, they don't offer a ceiling cover option plus mine is all custom anyway. The sides give you a nice clean line up where they meet the roof so no custom panel efforts or moldings are needed. Contact Pam Price at 506.384.1377 or pam@bodyguardvanliners.com. She is awesome to work with. I was $3,000 with about $350 in shipping. These panels are not cheap but they are super high quality pieces and worth saving me the time and effort shaping custom panels for such a big pig. Thermal and sound benefits will be gained as well as the pro level finish look.
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Yes. Weight is added but I can't calc exactly how much because the water weight of the buckets needs to be subtracted as it flashes off during drying.

When I did my trailer tins, the panels became heavier but not so bad that I was concerned. The sound and thermal benefits far outweigh the potential weight penalties in my opinion. I sprayed two (2) coats of each product (one heat & one sound) so I have a nice thickness. Cutting out the roof panels for Maxxfans confirmed I have about the same thickness as a Dynamat sheet. You could go one coat of each and lean out the product, get some benefits, and lessen the weight I guess.

After about 6 months of use I am a believer in Lizard Skin and I would do it again on other vehicles, regardless of added weight. I can't figure out any better way to stop the heat drive before it hits the interior insulation.

Last note - In the middle of the Mojave Desert I could never place my hand on an interior panel on the sunny side of the van. With Lizard Skin I can keep my hand flat all day in the most extreme heat. Pretty strong thermal blocking for interior application. With the 3M Thinsulate inside as well I think I will have it as good as it can get.
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This looks like a great way to start the insulation process. I am more concerned about hot weather than cold. I am up in Tahoe but spend alot of time in hot weather in the summer and I melt easily. I am thinking the lizard skin plus thinsulate is the way to go.


how many gallons of lizard skin did you use?
did you have to do anything to prep the surface of the van besides masking off areas you didn't want to hit?
How quiet did you get with the sound layer? is it similar to using dynamat or similar?

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Hey Eric -

I just saw this post from you and know you can always PM me for faster and specific responses to questions. I'm all about helping anyone on a build.

Lizard Skin is the single best thing I did for this Transit build, a mobile office van, my second van build. I did not spray my first van and I wish I did now that I have a year of testing with my new Transit nearly covered wall to wall, floor to ceiling. I didn't spray into the two front doors or the slider due to all of the cables and window tracks so I used Eastwood.com Dynamat-type stick-on material to help those locations with thermal and noise abatement. Dynamat is way more expensive and Eastwood brought the pricing down to reality in my opinion. The result of the Lizard Skin is equal to Dynamat in my opinion as far as road noise being knocked down a bunch. I bet the Lizard Skin is lighter than Dynamat by a little bit too. Dynamat in my stereo experience is just so heavy, but it works.

The Lizard Skin comes in 2 gallon buckets and I believe I used 10 total buckets on the Transit. Five (5) thermal and five (5) sound deadener. That equates to two (2) coats of each product for a total of four (4) coats on top of everything, including the roof, sides, floor, both back doors and inside all the nooks and crannies I could spray into. I did NOT prep the surface of the interior because it was so clean after I bought it and I tested a section to see how well it adhered. I can't get it off unless I grind it off. Nothing has peeled off and it's on their tight as a drum so I wouldn't worry about scuffing if I did it again.

My summertime testing shows this material, in concert with good roof and floor venting, is the best way to keep and get the heated air out. Once I finish my interior panels installation along with 3M Thinsulate, I should be even better at the end of this. I've had a good 8 months with just the Lizard Skin and I'm a believer. It was worth every penny and every ounce of effort as the first line of heat defense. The sound control is the bonus driving down the road.
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