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In California camping, is Thinsulate worth the effort?

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Nice work on the insulation in panel voids. How much does it cost for the Thinsulate to do 130" WB medium roof 10 passenger wagon? What is the Internet supplier, Amazon? I made add some in the future, but will probably wait.

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Thank you. I'm trying to document some of my progress because I know there's a lot less wagon information on the forum.

As far a layout, we're keeping it simple and plan on the following:
-Platform bed (we can sleep sideways) but want it high enough to keep bikes underneath
-MaxxAir Fan (add thinsulate insulation to the roof when we pull the headliner)
-Portable Fridge
-House Battery (If necessary)
-Awning (maybe)

Not sure what else, but that's the basics and we'll go camp and add stuff if we think we need it.
How wide a bed can you actually get sideways in a wagon? Between the walls and/or using the extra 'bump out' width of the windows?
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Curious on what you find when you start working on the slider. I started to take the panel off and gave up when I couldn't get the clips in the center to pop loose. They are just far enough that I couldn't reach them and there wasn't a good place to pry against either.

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How wide a bed can you actually get sideways in a wagon? Between the walls and/or using the extra 'bump out' width of the windows?


Window to Window= 77.5" @ 31" off floor

Window Trim to Trim= 73.5 @ 25-30" off floor

Inside Pillar Trim to trim= 68" @ 24.5" off floor



We will most likely weld up a bed frame that sits just inside of the inside pillar and has two wings that extend close to the window. Bed platform will likely be around 31" high. My bike with the front wheel and seatpost in is 36" tall so if we made the bed sit abovve that I couldn't sit up in bed. Gotta figure all this out, but it;s looking like I miay have to store bikes under the bed with both wheels off.

Edit: Our bed will be similar to our friend Eric's just not as tall. Brent at Ruhne Racing in Santa Cruz built it:


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Hi,
Nice work on the insulation in panel voids. How much does it cost for the Thinsulate to do 130" WB medium roof 10 passenger wagon? What is the Internet supplier, Amazon? I made add some in the future, but will probably wait.

Thank you,
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We bought 35 linear feet from Hein (http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-Thinsulat...-/131754566187) which is likely too much for our 148" wagon, since we are not insulating the space that the windows take up. We did all the doors and panels beneath the windows and have not done the roof or roof side cavities and have lots left over. Maybe email @Hein and he will know about how much to buy. Maybe 20 linear feet?

Edit: didn;t see your question about Thinsulate and if it was necessary for camping in California. We've camped in the fall up in the mountains above Chico and it was in the twenties at night. We slept in a Toyota Sienna and were relatively cold in a decent seeping bag. And we hang out at the beach for hours in the summer and camp in temps around 90's in the summer, so we wanted a van that would at least buffer both extremes.

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Window to Window= 77.5" @ 31" off floor
Window Trim to Trim= 73.5 @ 25-30" off floor
Inside Pillar Trim to trim= 68" @ 24.5" off floor

We will most likely weld up a bed frame that sits just inside of the inside pillar and has two wings that extend close to the window. Bed platform will likely be around 31" high. My bike with the front wheel and seatpost in is 36" tall so if we made the bed sit abovve that I couldn't sit up in bed. Gotta figure all this out, but it;s looking like I miay have to store bikes under the bed with both wheels off.
That's awesome thanks! I'm in a similar position to you I think with 1 kid and another on the way wanting a 'simple' play mobile. Pondering the 130 for everyday driving vs 148 for extra room. How did you pick?

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That's awesome thanks! I'm in a similar position to you I think with 1 kid and another on the way wanting a 'simple' play mobile. Pondering the 130 for everyday driving vs 148 for extra room. How did you pick?

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I asked a bunch of questions here: Wagon 130 vs 148 with EB and LS

Then I drove both and thought I wanted the 130" but wanted a triple bench in row 2 (8 seater) and they were hard to find. Then we saw a 148" in a darker color and it didn't seem that big. My opinion is that if you are not going to build a bed inside, then you should just get the 130". That said, I don't mind the length of the 148" at all and we haven;t built the bed yet.

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My bikes fit under bed, awesome

Hi All,'
This Transit site is very good.

So much great info to mod our wagons and vans.

I also have a 2003 Chevy Astro window van AWD with 2 " lift kit and the astrosafari site is good too.

My 2016 Transit medium roof 10. Seater is 130 " WB and it is very nimble and turn radius is good.

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Seat removal: Since we really only need the second row of seats we decided to remove the fourth row, single jump seat and leave the third row 2-seater for now. The jump seat floor brackets are raised above the floor and look quite dangerous. I stuck some foam over them but ended up taking out the floor to insulate and removed the brackets, as well as the fourth row mounts.
Thank you sooooo much for this detailed accounting! I am headed down a similar path using the same LWB MR wagon and am going to convert a 12p to an 8p. In your pic below you I boxed in red an area I assume that by the time you took the pic you had already pulled the outside jump seat rail out and put the bolts back in yes?

Is all that black plastic under the floor board simply rigid support for the floor? Are they hollow and/or fillable with insulation? I know the long continuos one is the heating duct.

Also is everything that is under the floor board in this pic essentially what is under there stock or is any of that foam/insulation blocks added by you?
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We used HushMat on the floor and inside the wall panels. It sticks on very easily. Then added Thinsulate (from Hein) to the wall cavities and a bit to the underside of the factory floor (why not??)
Did the thickness of the Hushmat (.125-inch I believe assuming you can lay it down smoothly) add any difficulties in getting everything to mate back down well?
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That's awesome thanks! I'm in a similar position to you I think with 1 kid and another on the way wanting a 'simple' play mobile. Pondering the 130 for everyday driving vs 148 for extra room. How did you pick?

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My 148 inch Transit keeps getting smaller, and smaller. Even when I see another one in a parking lot, I think, "What a wee little van."
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