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Possible Webasto workaround

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The price is the only reason we chose the Webasto. Diesel are similar price, but for gasoline we found that the Webasto is significantly cheaper.
We noticed the price difference also. Hopefully you get it sorted and will decide on which unit to go with based on your experience.


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Just a copy-paste of my other thread:

I just visited my local Webasto Tech. They could not read the diagnostic codes; there was just no communication between the heater and the computer. They blamed it on the European heater (STC). They checked my installation and it is correct. They think it might be the difference in european vs american fuel (different octane level), but it's just a guess. 2 hours later (250$), no progress. It was my decision to install it myself, so i'm ok with some repair cost. But about that European thing (STC), i'm a bit frustrated that the info is not available anywhere. It does says "Worldwide support 2 years" and approved Webasto sellers ship them to america... I would still go the DIY way, but i would buy the "ST" in lieu of the "STC" if I had known before.

I will have to send the unit to U.K. for proper diagnostic. I expect around 100-200$ shipping cost...

(issue: the heater will fire-up only AFTER the shutdown (abort) sequence has started. too late...)

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They think it might be the difference in european vs american fuel (different octane level), but it's just a guess. 2 hours later (250$), no progress. It was my decision to install it myself, so i'm ok with some repair cost. But about that European thing (STC), i'm a bit frustrated that the info is not available anywhere. It does says "Worldwide support 2 years"

This is a bit concerning to me, someone considering this unit for a van conversion. Especially since we live at altitude and travels areas where the fuel can be a bit more suspect.

What was the companies response about the worldwide support for two years?

I would have thought a EU model would accept more suspect fuel, given the various countries and fuel qualities.



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This is a bit concerning to me, someone considering this unit for a van conversion. Especially since we live at altitude and travels areas where the fuel can be a bit more suspect.

What was the companies response about the worldwide support for two years?

I would have thought a EU model would accept more suspect fuel, given the various countries and fuel qualities.



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Just to clarify, the fuel thing was just a guess from my local technicians. The U.K. supplier says he sold over 25 units to america and i'm it's first customer with problems. Let's wait and see what the diagnostic shows. I will remove my Webasto tomorrow and ship it to U.K. this week.
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Overhead Storage Cabinet

Meanwhile, here is our overhead storage cabinet. We still have to add the final touch on the doors and to hide the electrical harness, but it is functional.

http://faroutride.com/overhead-storage-cabinet/





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Trip Report

We spent a week in the Chic-Chocs. It was the first real test for our winter setup:
http://faroutride.com/chic-chocs-win...december-2016/

Here is the interesting part:

SOLAR
It is pretty much useless during the short winter days… we got maybe 10-20Ah charge total from solar during the whole week (guesstimate). Even on a sunny day, mid-day, we got almost nothing coming in. We still cleared the solar panels from the snow that fell overnight and this is fairly easy to do with a ladder. This shows the importance of being able to charge while driving. We went with a 30A smart charger; I wish we went with 50A-60A charger (like the Sterling Power Battery-to-Battery charger) to charge faster (shorter drives). Also, we noticed that the smart charger will reduce the charge rate as the SOC is getting closer to 100%; it really take a long time to charge the battery from 80% to 100%.

POWER CONSUMPTION
We found that we use a bit more power in winter. Days are shorter, so we use more lights. We want to prevent the interior of the van from freezing (water supplies, beer bottles explosions...), so the heater run continuously and draw around 1.7A approx on average 24h/24h (this varies a lot with the outside temps). The duty cycle of the fridge is around 10%, compared to around 35% in summer.

WEBASTO HEATER
We got nights where the temps went down to -15F (-25C). The Webasto was able to maintain the temperature inside the van. However, it takes a long time (1-2 hours) to raise the temperature from, let’s say, 40F to 65F. On very cold nights, the heater was working on High mode continuously. The 3.7 gasoline engine heat up quite fast on idle; it could be used to raise the temperatures faster.

INSULATION
All the Thinsulate was installed for the trip. The ceiling and one of the wall was finished; the other wall still had the metal exposed. We could feel a HUGE difference between the finished wall VS the other. The finished wall (thinsulate + ez-cool + wood paneling) was not cold to the touch. The unfinished wall was freezing near the floor and was sending us cold draft. This trip gave us confidence about our insulation choice.

TRACTION
No surprise here, the Transit is not an off-road vehicle (we have the Limited Slip). It drives really well on snowy roads, but things get more complicated in ski resort parking lots and such. We found out that a semi-hard-pack snow layer over an ice layer will make the Transit rather useless. We did not get stuck, we went wherever we wanted, but we could feel the limitation of traction. We carried snow chains just in case.
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It is pretty much useless during the short winter days… we got maybe 10-20Ah charge total from solar during the whole week (guesstimate). Even on a sunny day, mid-day, we got almost nothing coming in. We still cleared the solar panels from the snow that fell overnight and this is fairly easy to do with a ladder.
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Interesting! Thanks for the detailed real world feedback. You're using a Bogart PWM solar charger still, correct? I wonder if MPPT would give significantly better results in these sort of marginal conditions? It would need to be a lot more than 10%-40% improvement to make it worthwhile though, and with the sun <20deg above the horizon a noon the panels and charger don't have much to work with... Either way, very good to have the alternator charging.
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Question on the Webasto unit. I was looking at their website and they recommend the Air Top Evo 40 for the size of the transit ~7 meters. This 40 is slightly larger and the under seat installation may not work but produces more heat, almost 2x the kW. Granted there is more fuel consumption but with higher heat output the space could be heated quicker and runtime decreased, in theory.

Did you look at this unit also when planning?


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